The militant homosexual lobby has long ago stopped pretending it is about achieving “equality” and “tolerance”. They have instead made it clear that they will settle for nothing less than the complete homosexualisation of society. All resistance will be ruthlessly opposed, and everyone will be expected to embrace, promote and even favour the homosexual agenda.
It is no longer a question of the normalisation of homosexuality, but the glamourisation and forced exaltation of the lifestyle. Our coercive utopian leaders are now telling us, ‘You will love and embrace homosexuality. You have no other option. All resistance will be punished.’
I have of course already documented case after case of this state-enforced promotion of homosexuality, with recalcitrants facing the music. Every time I think I should get my new book off to the printers, a whole new bunch of cases arise.
To see just how ugly all this is, imagine this scenario: your son has been a drug addict for a decade, and now desperately wants to get off. He knows this lifestyle is killing him, and he really wants to make a clean break of it. But he is told by the elites and the authorities that he was born this way, it is innate, and he cannot change.
He has to learn to live with it. In fact, those groups who offered help to druggies who want to get clean have been outlawed by the state. There is now a ban on any therapy which offers help to the addict. The state has decided that all drug addicts must remain that way, and anyone offering them help must be viewed as an enemy of the state, and punished accordingly.
This is basically what we find happening regarding homosexuality. Last year the state of California for example led the way by banning reparative therapy for homosexuals. So even though a person may desperately want to get out of this lifestyle and change his ways, the Californian tyrants have declared that to be verboten.
It does not matter if you have a strong longing to get out of homosexual bondage. The state has decided that this desire is wrong, and anyone daring to help such a person will feel the full force of the law. And now New Jersey has just become the second state to pass such a draconian and totalitarian law.
Big Brother is alive and well in the US, and sadly Massachusetts and New York have now also introduced similar legislation. Pretty soon if a person believes his same-sex attraction is unhealthy and unwanted, he will have no recourse but to flee to Russia, the last truly free country on the planet – at least things seem to be heading that way.
So the forcible prevention of changing one’s lifestyle and sexual preferences has now become the business of the Totalist State. Simply add this bit of jackboot thuggery to the never-ending list of other outrages perpetrated by the homosexual militants and their state supporters, and you have a recipe for a genuine Police State rivalling anything Huxley or Orwell might have dreamt up.
The real target of course is the church. The activists know that once they shut down Christianity for good, then their free rein to totally transform society will be complete. Silence all dissenting Christians, and the homonazi agenda can go through unimpeded.
As Matt Barber has correctly observed, “‘Gay pride’ necessitates anti-Christian hate. It must. ‘Gay marriage’ and other ‘sexual orientation’-based laws do violence to freedom and truth. They are the hammer with which the postmodern left intends to bludgeon bloody religious liberty and the Judeo-Christian sexual ethic.”
He examines a recent case in Oregon where a Christian baker declined to make a lesbian wedding cake. The state is once again treating the baker as an outlaw and a miscreant, all under the guise of bogus sexual orientation laws. Barber examines what Labor Commissioner Brad Avakian has said about this case:
“Mr. Avakian then revealed what he views as a ‘fair and thorough investigation’: ‘Everybody is entitled to their own beliefs, but that doesn’t mean that folks have the right to discriminate,’ he said. Here’s the kicker. Read it closely: ‘The goal is never to shut down a business. The goal is to rehabilitate,’ Avakian said. ‘For those who do violate the law, we want them to learn from that experience and have a good, successful business in Oregon.’
“George Orwell much? Get the not-so-thinly-veiled threat? Christians have a right to own a ‘successful business’ in Oregon, so long as they don’t, well, be Christian – so long as they shelve their faith and submit to our ever-‘progressive’ government’s anti-Christian demands. ‘The goal is never to shut down a business,’ but either you abandon the Judeo-Christian sexual ethic and dutifully observe postmodern sexual relativism, or government will shut you down in a Sodom and Gomorrah minute.
“Brad, Rachel, Laurel and the rest of you left-wing bullies need to get this straight (so to speak): The godless left has been trying to ‘rehabilitate’ Christians for over 2,000 years. We haven’t caved yet. What makes you think we will now? Those of us who wish to remain obedient to God will not – indeed, cannot – accommodate you and play along with your sin-centric ‘gay marriage’ delusion. Ain’t gonna happen. Ever.
“Look, you have every right to dress up in two wedding gowns or two tuxedos, get pretend ‘married’ and play house to your hearts’ content. You do not have the right, however, to force others to abandon their sincerely held religious beliefs, thousands of years of history and the immutable reality of human biology to engage your little fantasy. No amount of hand-wringing, gnashing of teeth, suing Christians or filing charges against those of us who live in marriage reality will make us recognize your silly so-called ‘marriage equality.’
“Rather than trying to compel these Christians to participate in their counter-Christian mock marriage, all Ms. Rachel and Ms. Laurel had to do was take their business down the street. There are, no doubt, many bakers who share their worldly sexual morals (or lack thereof).
“Imagine if a Christian came into a ‘gay’-owned bakery and demanded a cake with these words: ‘Homosexual behavior is shameful: Romans 1:27.’ Think the left would be clamoring for charges against the baker if he refused? Me neither. In fact, I’d be the first to defend his right to ‘discriminate’ against the Christian.”
He concludes, “Seriously, lefties, give it a rest. So-called ‘sexual orientation’ laws are nothing like laws prohibiting racial, age, disability or gender discrimination. Those qualities are based on neutral, immutable characteristics. Even liberals admit that ‘sexual orientation’ is based on ‘fluid’ feelings and behaviors. It’s about what you do, not who you are. It’s about what you believe and who you choose to have sex with, not the color of your skin.
“Ken Hutcherson, an influential black pastor from the Seattle area, put it well: ‘It has been said loudly and proudly that gay marriage is a civil rights issue. If that’s the case, then gays would be the new African-Americans. I’m here to tell you now, and hopefully for the last time, that the gay community is not the new African-American community. Don’t compare your sin to my skin!’
“Some things never change. Other things do. Today’s liberals seek to ‘rehabilitate’ Christians to their way of thinking under penalty of law. Liberals of old just threw us to the lions. I guess that’s what they mean by ‘progress’.”
Both Orwell and Huxley warned about ugly Big Brother totalitarianism. They never would have imagined it could be so bad under the homosexual jackboot.
If Fred Nile died suddenly, and I went into a gay owned florist and said that I wanted to send flowers to his funeral, would my order be accepted, or would I be told to go to another florist?
Ross McPhee
Exactly right Ross.
Bill Muehlenberg, CultureWatch
Russia anyone?
Erik Ahlblad
Quite so Erik. As I state in my article, that may be our only real option left very soon!
Bill Muehlenberg, CultureWatch
I noticed something Bill that Russia ban propaganda for minors while these states prohibit therapy for minors and it seems like they are opposite for Minors.
Bryan Smith
Bill, I get the distinct impression that many Christians will realise what you have long warned against only as it happens. At that stage, the line in the sand will be clear and there will be no fence any longer. Sadly it seems, we will then see who stands for biblical truth and who caves in to join the contemporary iteration of the long history of persecutors of biblical faith.
Simon Fox
What’s the weather like there Erik? Oh well, I’d rather freeze than look and listen to these loonies here in Oz.
Daniel Kempton
Leigh Sales treatment of Rev. Ron Brookman last night came close to this. No mention of any of the reparative ministry and hope that has come from his ministry. Just the assumption that because it is christian it is automatically suspect. Ministers and Bible churches must not dare even suppose that they can offer hope and healing to a homosexual.
Ian Clarkson
Bill, Another excellent comment on the totalitarian nature of the homosexual cult. In effect what the movement aims for is the entire redefinition of sin, and to present their ideology as normative. This creates a climate of opinion that makes the exception (Christian belief and opinion) as the ‘abnormal’, thus arousing feeling of “guilt” in those who do not toe the party line PC wise.
What about the word “discrimination” – now thoroughly tainted? To discriminate is a thoroughly wholesome and necessary exercise, and means “to note the difference of, or, to distinguish”. It means making informed assessments, and Christians, as for others ‘discriminate’ every day in all sorts of ways. It means making choices, based upon facts, or upon other criteria. The liberal/homosexual error is to assume that such discrimination is based, not on these, but on personal prejudice only. Sometime that may be the case, but for the Christian the process leading to choices will be based upon Biblical principle or direct command or prohibition.
So for example: “Choose you this day who you will serve”, or “how long halt ye between two opinions”? Try telling Joshua, or Elijah, or any other prophet, including Jesus – ‘Hey, that discriminatory!
Graham Wood, UK
On Channel 10 news last night I watched Mal Waldon tell us delightedly about the two men who went to New Zealand to be married and I thought – can any newsreader really hear themselves report this? I realise they no doubt have to report the news but if I was a news anchor man I know what I would do and especially someone of Mal Waldon’s years and experience. There was also a photo of two ladies being married (not sure if it was in New Zealand also), but one looked more like a man. Which suggests that in reality and in their hearts these people are still trying to be male and female because innately only a male and female can come together (do I sound absolutely ridiculous here trying to defend what is an undeniable truth). I really despair at the direction this country and every other western country is headed. Even in my place of work, there is the LGBT presentations of the movie about Harvey Milk the openly gay San Francisco politician. Of course I won’t be rushing off to see this but I wonder how long before we (the employees) will be compelled to attend such gatherings in the name of ‘diversity’ and ‘tolerance’. George Orwell here we come.
Elizabeth Hamilton
Ian – I agree last night’s segment was very one-sided.
Not sure if you saw the previous 7.30 Report program on this. They did interview Ron and the young man he was praying for.
But that segment also included Matt Glover (former Baptist minister and now counsellor) who claims the orientation can’t be changed and who supports same-sex ‘marriage’. Also shown with him was the National President of Freedom 2 Be, the homosexual support group for ‘Pentecostals and Charismatics’ who want to be ‘homosexual and Christian’ (that person is a lesbian in a relationship) so even then the 7.30 Report segment was quite critical of Ron’s program.
See it at http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2013/s3814607.htm
The segment this week was not even ‘attempting’ to be balanced.
But as you say many people are helped by it. We met a young man on the weekend we hadn’t seen for a while. He was sharing how much he had been helped – and is being helped – by Ron’s ministry!
Jenny Stokes
I’ve noticed that in your article Bill, but I’ve read this in many other places, many other good sources, including a Russian female athlete. Your post is further confirmation that Russia could be one of few places you can practice your faith without persecution in the future. There is work there for us ESL teachers, for example.
Erik Ahlblad
Outlawing rehabilitation, even if you commit yourself???
Johannes Archer
Thanks Johannes. Yep, although specifically the law is for minors. So children can embrace homosexuality, but they are not allowed to un-embrace it i guess!
Bill Muehlenberg, CultureWatch
Hi Bill,
Just FYI… you are a fucking idiot.
Tim Austin
Thanks Tim
Normally such comments go straight into the bin of course. But I always appreciate it when the other side comes along and illustrates the very points I was seeking to make:
No arguments, no evidence, no debate, no nothing – just plenty of hatred, intolerance, mud-slinging, and ugly name-calling. The ‘tolerance brigade’ in full flight in other words.
But despite your sentiments, we will continue to keep you folks in prayer.
Bill Muehlenberg, CultureWatch
Hi Bill,
There is a real brouhaha about quite a few of the new academies in the UK refusing to go along with the ‘new’ homosexual orthodoxy and declining to validate homosexuality.
The schools of course serve the parents not the ‘progressives.’ Hopefully any critics will get a dusty answer and the school principals themselves will arm themselves with the true reasons why and how homosexuality has come to be pedaled as ‘normal.’
Paul E. Rondeau, an American Christian academic and marketing expert authored an excellent article called ‘Selling Homosexuality To America’ in 2002. It is a real eye-opener and should be required reading for all those who regard themselves as educated on this issue.
The left-wing ABC media has accused the Russian athlete of playing the ‘misunderstanding’ card after showing support for Russia’s ban on promotion of homosexuality. The ABC is playing their own card, their ‘progressive’ card by ignoring her right to have her own views.
Russia has not betrayed its values, unlike so many so-called Christians in Australia who now support gay marriage.
Jannie Tooh
thanks Bill, for a great article. I think the line will be drawn in the sand as to who the true Christians are and which are pretending with the persecution we are about to face in this country. Oh and yes thanks for leaving Tim Austin’s comment it shows how ugly these people have become through desperation! It will never be a marriage covenant in God’s eyes or anyone else who upholds Biblical marriage, so I guess they will be pretending like you said. God bless.
Liz Gee
Dear Bill.
Do I have your permission to post Embrace Homosexualism – Or Else and you other posts here on my Facebook page and quote you as the author with a link to your site?
I am utterly amazed at the complacency of Christians in this matter. If all Christians stood up and got counted it would not be possible for the homosexual lobby to get away with so many lies. If Christians stood up and got counted, many non-Christians would see the lies being spun by the homosexual lobby.
God bless you Bill. You are a prophet, there is no doubt about that.
Paul Copeland
Thanks Paul. Yes feel free.
Bill Muehlenberg, CultureWatch
What’s next? Jenny Craig out of business for offering help for those who wish it? Or, for your car’s (imagined) ailments, no more Beaurepaires? [ouch, I can’t believe I just said that, send me in for some rehab – no, wait! I’m fine (aren’t I? I must be, surely – isn’t everyone?)]
Stephen Phillips
I find it appalling to hear that those offering counselling and therapy to gays and lesbians who request it are being legislated against. It really couldn’t be any clearer, could it, about what the end-game is. And always, Christians are considered as gay-haters, when in fact what we really hope to see is a complete healing. Would it not be a wonderful thing to see all these people return to their full power, as real men and real women, instead of the distorted forms they are currently in?
Chris Dark
Thanks for more good work Bill.
Can gays change?
If 10 gays and 10 lesbians were the last people on earth, would they have the personal character to save mankind – would they change so as to procreate?
Well I believe they would change as they are human at their core.
Not only would they change, but couple G1 & L1, G2 & L2 etc, would each have a public ‘ceremony’ to acknowledge their natural order relationships so that their offspring, and their further offspring, do not later interbreed with each other.
This shows that all gays can change, and that the Marriage institution is of the natural order, because without the capacity to breed we would not warrant such an institution, but it also proves amongst other things that Marriage is an acknowledgement of one’s hereditary relations, and is therefor a vital necessity for the physical and mental health of all individuals.
Marriage and it’s customs [taking the male’s surname, sexual restraint] are therefor a natural antidote to inbreeding and it’s negative effects; childhood mortality in the first year of life, morbidity, and disabled offspring etc.
Changing the physical customs of Marriage to include homosexual activity, is an acknowledgement to the wider community and future generations that Marriage is no longer at it’s core, it’s fundamental characteristic; the physical wellbeing of mankind!
Putin knows a commie when he sees one!
Cheers Bill and thanks again for the good work. God Bless.
Mike Marshall
In the US, the left denigrate the perceived hoarding of guns by the crazy right as preparing for a zombie apocalypse and to protect against a tyrannical government.
Well I never thought I’d say it, but they’ve got their tyrannical government already and the brain dead left is the zombie apocalypse. So arm up.
Graham Jose
Thank you, Bill, for another great article on the homosexualization of most of the world and for including the brilliant response by Tim Austin. But what practical steps can we as Christians take to stop this onslaught of indoctrination in our cultures when even our local churches have given in to the agenda? After the New Jersey ban yesterday, I felt hopeless and thought that we probably will not see any return to normalcy for eons. Very sad.
Lori Lindell
Slightly off topic but of note-
I was very dismayed to read in this mornings papers that the LNP will no longer be preferencing the CDP because at a public forum, the CDP canbdidate when grilled on gay marriage made the statement that because the lifestyle is not a healthy one, homosexuals do not live as long as heterosexuals…….
The LNP immediately reacted by saying they would change all their preferences away from the ‘homophobic’ CDP.
Secondly, in my area the CDP is struggling to find volunteers to man polling booths on election day and I assume it will be the same in most electorates- I just wanted to send a call out to any of your readers who may be interested in helping out to get in touch with the CDP ( or other Christian parties) and offer help if they are able.
Thanks Bill. God Bless you and this ministry- so vital nowadays.
Annette Williams http://www.news.com.au/national-news/federal-election/exclusive-libs-in-preference-crisis-in-lindsay-over-gay-comments/story-fnho52ip-1226700883582
Russia – Habakkuk in reverse??
John Angelico
People are entitled to their beliefs but what I don’t like about this debate is that because I don’t agree then I am the one with the problem. It seems to me the more one is on the side of truth the more likely you will be opposed. If the gay activists are so sure of their position then there is no need to point the gun at folks like me – but then they are defending a lie. As an individual if I decide the way I am living is wrong and able to find someone to help me then why can’t I use them? Sorry I forgot once gay always gay and we don’t want others to think that you can ungay yourself. Bill none of their arguments make sense unless you are wanting to justify sin!
Joy Smith
Yes, what a wonderful and brave statement from that black man, makes me wish I was black too, the line kind of loses its punch coming from a white person.
Graham, may I extend your definition of discrimination by saying that the choice made after looking at the facts should always be that of “good” or at least that of the “better” and thereby transcending personal opinion.
Bill, I am sad that you have to endure comments like that of Mr. Austin’s, but on the other hand I am glad that your site has gone beyond the circle of the converted and is now challenging those who may never hear the gospel any other way. Therefore, be courageous and we continue to pray for and with you for those who may yet still come into the kingdom.
Many blessings
Ursula Bennett
I’m glad I read Matt Barber’s article when it was first posted. Though I have yet to re-encounter the venom of the homonazis, I have seen some online. For goodness sake, just a few hours ago on a forum a fellow was modded for saying “Real men like women”! I can only imagine what it’ll be like once I become a teacher. Thanks for the article, Bill!
Lucas Lietz
Bill, although I agree with your sentiment about the banning of therapy for homosexuals who want to leave the lifestyle, it seems you have very little to say about the homosexuals who feel condemned and hated and full of guilt and self loathing because of the ‘party line’ you are pulling (no necessary disrespect for your opinions as I’m sure i agree with many/most of them). However as it is more homosexuals feel condemned by the church then they do feel trapped by the gay culture and their way of life, (not saying that this is good by any means, just saying that it is). Shouldnt we try to win over their hearts for Jesus, instead of trying to ‘cure’ them, and hating on their lobby. For Jesus in his day advocated against the pharisees and other self righteous religous organisations, not the sexually immoral people living in his midst. Should we not take Jesus’ example, even if in the flesh accusing these things and attacking them seems like the morally right thing to do?
Angus Simpson
Thanks Angus. Sorry but regrettably I am not buying most of what you have to say here. You offer far too much confused and unbiblical thinking. First, have you read my 300-page book on this topic, or the 400 other articles I have penned on this subject? If not, it is a bit rich to tell me what I am saying or not saying.
And what does hateful and self-loathing have to do with anything? All sinners deep down feel this way – and well they should. Do you want me to apologise for that? Sin of course leads to guilt feelings and the rest – that is how God made us. There is no salvation until we first see ourselves as God sees us: sinners under his wrath who need to repent and flee from our sin. So spare us this silliness about the “party line”. It is the biblical line – one which we all should push, all the time.
Equally unhelpful is your line about the church making homosexuals feel guilty. Of course they feel guilty – because they are guilty. They, like all other sinners, know what they are doing is wrong, and they get angry when this is pointed out to them. This is basic Christianity 101. Try going back to Romans 1 on this for starters.
And why make a false and unbiblical distinction between speaking the truth about homosexuality and winning their hearts over to Jesus? They both of course go together – there is no other way in fact. To win any sinner to Christ, they first must realise they are sinners separated from God heading for a lost eternity. That is why Christ came. If we don’t speak of sin first, we have no reason to speak of grace and salvation later. The latter depends on the former.
And really, spare us this baloney about “hating on their lobby”. How is telling the truth about what the activists are up to – or anything for that matter – hating? To warn of the dangers of, say, drug addiction does not mean you hate the addicts. You can rightly hate the drugs which are destroying people and sending them to an early grave, while loving the individual trapped in this mess.
We all can hate the damage alcoholism does to a person – while still loving the alcoholic at the same time. And what is hateful about telling individual homosexuals that their lifestyle is dangerous, high risk, and possibly life-threatening, and that they need to flee from it? What is hateful about telling any sinner that their sin is something they must flee from if they want to get right with God?
You might as well say opposing the criminal gangs wanting to hook kids on drugs is being hateful. You might as well say Wilberforce was “hating on” the slave owners as he stood up for blacks. Sorry, to love people means resisting what enslaves them. By your unhelpful advice, Wilberforce should have just shut up about abolition, and not make people feel guilty about their sinful activities.
Loving people means telling them the truth. Loving homosexuals means telling them they don’t have to be gay. The only haters here are the activists who want kids to stay trapped in an unwanted and deadly lifestyle.
And your line about “cure” is also unbiblical and unhelpful. You might as well tell a murderer: “Hey, Jesus loves you, and I certainly won’t try to cure you of your killing. Feel free to keep on doing it. I don’t want you to feel guilty after all or feel hated on.” Clearly we don’t love homosexuals or any other sinners very much if we don’t give a rip about them staying trapped in their dead-end and sinful lifestyle.
And you are wrong again on your take on sexual immorality. Not only did Jesus speak much about it, but he made it quite clear to the woman caught in adultery that in order for her to receive the forgiveness of God, she had to “go and sin no more”. There was no cheap grace here – no saying she could just remain in her sin and her sinful lifestyle.
And no, I am not in the flesh; and yes I am following the example of Jesus. He never tolerated sin, he never minimised sin, and he never sidestepped sin. He dealt with it head on, knowing that until a sinner sees his need and repents, he is heading for a lost eternity.
All of these rather lame criticisms I get all the time from the homosexual activists. It is time for those who claim to be Christians to start thinking biblically here, and not embrace the dodgy ideas and faulty mindset of the world.
So I am afraid I have to disagree with you here for the most part. But thanks for your thoughts.
Bill Muehlenberg, CultureWatch
Sound, logical arguments. Well said Bill!!
Erik Ahlblad
Hi Bill,
Just wondering if you think it’s okay for non-Christians to be gay. If these people are not bound by the laws of the Bible, then they are not sinning. Should we not let them live their lives in peace?
Rob Hamilton
Thanks Rob
Umm, no. Wrong on all counts. You might as well ask, ‘Is it okay for non-Christians to be promiscuous, or unfaithful, or belligerent, or argumentative, or arrogant, or disrespectful, or arsonists, or drunks, etc. None of these things are good, although not all are illegal, and if people want to live that way that is up to them. However, if you care about people, you want what is best for them. So if you know someone who is in a risky, dangerous and possible life-shortening lifestyle, then of course you will hope they get out of that. We can’t force people to of course, but if you really love someone you will always will the highest good for them, and not allow them to wallow in their destructive and harmful ways.
And what does the Bible have to do with anything? I have already written two books on this topic, appealing primarily to non-biblical arguments, data, research and evidence. And forget any talk about sin as well if you want. We are talking about basic right and wrong here, and considering the best interests of the other person, of children, and of society.
But if you do insist on dragging sin and the Bible into this, then we also have the sins of murder, theft, lying, and so on. Do you think non-Christians should be exempt from these laws because they are biblical and they are therefore not “sinning” if they pay no attention to them?
And where did I say anything about not allowing people to live in peace? People can do what they want. No one is forcing homosexuals to do anything here. But this article clearly shows us that militant homosexuals are forcing everyone else to what they want – or else. If you are so much into letting people live in peace, why aren’t you making a stink about the homosexual activists who are taking away our freedoms and imposing their own iron wall of political correctness on everyone else?
Bill Muehlenberg, CultureWatch
Thanks for the speedy reply Bill.
And you’re right I haven’t read your book but it’s on my must read list.
I guess as long as we realise the end goal is helping these people come to Jesus, and don’t drive them away with our politics/ rhetoric (regardless of how true our beliefs might be), and remember that yes we are to call sin what it is, as this is a scriptural principle.
But again showing people God’s love should be our first priority, once they are aware of and accept God’s love and will for their life, the other issues are resolved as symptoms.
– Thank you again.
Angus Simpson
A homosexual man or lesbian woman who claims that his or her same-sex attraction is “because I was born that way” is just making an excuse for calling anyone who begs to differ the B-word, i.e. Bigot. The “way they are born” is that the male’s anatomy is biologically designed so that his sperm can be transferred to the female with the chance of fertilising her egg in a loving, mutually attracted sexual union and with the possibility of reproducing another human life. The male is not biologically designed to ejaculate life-giving sperm into the waste exit canal of another man or a woman. The female is not biologically designed to have sexual intercourse with a female substitute of the male. They weren’t born that way; they may choose that way.
In generalised terms, the usual reason for homosexual attraction appears to be that the man may have a shuddering abhorrence of the female body possibly with issues regarding his mother or father thrown in; and he falls in love with the looks and personality of another man. Likewise the woman who prefers a woman as a sexual partner, often has a loathing for men in general and in the case of a man-hating feminist, the logical conclusion would be to gravitate towards another woman. Trans-sexual people have surgical/medical interventions to change their bodies from what they were to what they want them to be. There is a lot of hate and loathing in this, which is not coming from heterosexuals. They are things happening in the mind, not a fixed attribute such as skin colour.
Just as people of various sexual orientations are free to voice their opinions, so people of heterosexual orientation have equal right to uphold their own beliefs, so long as we live in a free country. The fact that so many marriages have failed does not warrant the promotion of more transitory non-binding sexual relationships, mainly because of concerns for children and the relentless erosion of family life for future generations.
Rachel Smith
Angus… Firstly repent of your sin completely and come to Christ, that’s the order of things. When most people are faced with dying and have led a sinful life they cry out for forgiveness hoping to receive Gods mercy in their last moments. Somewhat like some other criminal organisations or terrorists who pray for forgiveness and are then seen all dressed up coming from church then next day going out and committing murder as if God approves, then going back to church ad infinitum.
Do they really think the creator of all things is stupid?
Dennis Newland
To fear the Lord is to hate evil.
Knowledge of the Holy is understanding. To separate the sin God hates from the person He loves and died for is such a huge challenge for us, which we probably won’t get fully hold of in this life. As I am also often accused of being intolerant and unloving, I have determined to let the Holy Spirit point out to me when my manner of presenting the truths of the gospel may unintentionally have added to the offence of the gospel. I want to all I can to present it in such a way that whatever offence people may perceive in what I say to them is purely that of the gospel itself and not in how I say it. And that is so much harder than I had ever anticipated, but hopefully will help me to get towards what Paul truly means when he says we should speak the truth in love. We as believers have all at times felt the pain of the confrontation with that real guilt that we have, which the Holy Spirit exposes and the father forgives when we repent through the redemption Jesus offers through his blood. We are all sinners saved by grace, those of us who have accepted the gift of adoption, but to present this to those who are still in rebellion is not easy and I am sure remains a work in progress.
Many blessings
Ursula Bennett
@Rachel Smith: I do not see any studies or statistics backing up these claims, but what I do see is your personal opinion which shows that you just think that homosexuals choose this because they are a bunch of perverts who dislike the opposite gender?
@ Dennis Newland: Yes people need to realise they need a saviour before they can accept one, but is pointing out the sin of homosexuality above others and focusing on it instead of focusing on human nature in general, and the need for a savior in general really the way to reach these people?
Angus Simpson
Hi Angus, my personal opinion is based on LGT people I know. I don’t expect there are any statistics on the why’s and wherefore’s as there seems to be an official silence on same sex attraction and the necessary discrimination against the opposite sex in terms of sexual partners. I think the conversation needs to be more specific to increase understanding, especially in the light of draconian laws to shut people up who live the heterosexual lifestyle. There are complexities involved which I would like to understand more. For example a homosexual man I knew made derisive sexist remarks about a belly dancer but later acquired a beautiful classic car which he named Sarah. In life everyone paddles their own canoe but we become un-moored from reality at our peril. Good to talk.
Rachel Smith
On “Weekend Sunrise” not long ago Andrew O’Keefe and his female co-host (I can’t remember her name) interviewed, via-satellite, a gay man in the US who, due to some negative experiences was calling for reparative therapy to be banned. Of course there was no perspective from anyone who had actually been helped by it, just the negative as the MSM continues it’s pro-gay juggernaut.
Mick Koster.
Human Rights organizations from around the world are supporting Russia’s effort to protect children from homosexual propaganda.
If Fred Nile died suddenly, and I went into a gay owned florist and said that I wanted to send flowers to his funeral, would my order be accepted, or would I be told to go to another florist?
Ross McPhee
Exactly right Ross.
Bill Muehlenberg, CultureWatch
Russia anyone?
Erik Ahlblad
Quite so Erik. As I state in my article, that may be our only real option left very soon!
Bill Muehlenberg, CultureWatch
I noticed something Bill that Russia ban propaganda for minors while these states prohibit therapy for minors and it seems like they are opposite for Minors.
Bryan Smith
Bill, I get the distinct impression that many Christians will realise what you have long warned against only as it happens. At that stage, the line in the sand will be clear and there will be no fence any longer. Sadly it seems, we will then see who stands for biblical truth and who caves in to join the contemporary iteration of the long history of persecutors of biblical faith.
Simon Fox
What’s the weather like there Erik? Oh well, I’d rather freeze than look and listen to these loonies here in Oz.
Daniel Kempton
Leigh Sales treatment of Rev. Ron Brookman last night came close to this. No mention of any of the reparative ministry and hope that has come from his ministry. Just the assumption that because it is christian it is automatically suspect. Ministers and Bible churches must not dare even suppose that they can offer hope and healing to a homosexual.
Ian Clarkson
Bill, Another excellent comment on the totalitarian nature of the homosexual cult. In effect what the movement aims for is the entire redefinition of sin, and to present their ideology as normative. This creates a climate of opinion that makes the exception (Christian belief and opinion) as the ‘abnormal’, thus arousing feeling of “guilt” in those who do not toe the party line PC wise.
What about the word “discrimination” – now thoroughly tainted? To discriminate is a thoroughly wholesome and necessary exercise, and means “to note the difference of, or, to distinguish”. It means making informed assessments, and Christians, as for others ‘discriminate’ every day in all sorts of ways. It means making choices, based upon facts, or upon other criteria. The liberal/homosexual error is to assume that such discrimination is based, not on these, but on personal prejudice only. Sometime that may be the case, but for the Christian the process leading to choices will be based upon Biblical principle or direct command or prohibition.
So for example: “Choose you this day who you will serve”, or “how long halt ye between two opinions”? Try telling Joshua, or Elijah, or any other prophet, including Jesus – ‘Hey, that discriminatory!
Graham Wood, UK
On Channel 10 news last night I watched Mal Waldon tell us delightedly about the two men who went to New Zealand to be married and I thought – can any newsreader really hear themselves report this? I realise they no doubt have to report the news but if I was a news anchor man I know what I would do and especially someone of Mal Waldon’s years and experience. There was also a photo of two ladies being married (not sure if it was in New Zealand also), but one looked more like a man. Which suggests that in reality and in their hearts these people are still trying to be male and female because innately only a male and female can come together (do I sound absolutely ridiculous here trying to defend what is an undeniable truth). I really despair at the direction this country and every other western country is headed. Even in my place of work, there is the LGBT presentations of the movie about Harvey Milk the openly gay San Francisco politician. Of course I won’t be rushing off to see this but I wonder how long before we (the employees) will be compelled to attend such gatherings in the name of ‘diversity’ and ‘tolerance’. George Orwell here we come.
Elizabeth Hamilton
Ian – I agree last night’s segment was very one-sided.
Not sure if you saw the previous 7.30 Report program on this. They did interview Ron and the young man he was praying for.
But that segment also included Matt Glover (former Baptist minister and now counsellor) who claims the orientation can’t be changed and who supports same-sex ‘marriage’. Also shown with him was the National President of Freedom 2 Be, the homosexual support group for ‘Pentecostals and Charismatics’ who want to be ‘homosexual and Christian’ (that person is a lesbian in a relationship) so even then the 7.30 Report segment was quite critical of Ron’s program.
See it at http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2013/s3814607.htm
The segment this week was not even ‘attempting’ to be balanced.
But as you say many people are helped by it. We met a young man on the weekend we hadn’t seen for a while. He was sharing how much he had been helped – and is being helped – by Ron’s ministry!
Jenny Stokes
I’ve noticed that in your article Bill, but I’ve read this in many other places, many other good sources, including a Russian female athlete. Your post is further confirmation that Russia could be one of few places you can practice your faith without persecution in the future. There is work there for us ESL teachers, for example.
Erik Ahlblad
Outlawing rehabilitation, even if you commit yourself???
Johannes Archer
Thanks Johannes. Yep, although specifically the law is for minors. So children can embrace homosexuality, but they are not allowed to un-embrace it i guess!
Bill Muehlenberg, CultureWatch
Hi Bill,
Just FYI… you are a fucking idiot.
Tim Austin
Thanks Tim
Normally such comments go straight into the bin of course. But I always appreciate it when the other side comes along and illustrates the very points I was seeking to make:
No arguments, no evidence, no debate, no nothing – just plenty of hatred, intolerance, mud-slinging, and ugly name-calling. The ‘tolerance brigade’ in full flight in other words.
But despite your sentiments, we will continue to keep you folks in prayer.
Bill Muehlenberg, CultureWatch
Hi Bill,
There is a real brouhaha about quite a few of the new academies in the UK refusing to go along with the ‘new’ homosexual orthodoxy and declining to validate homosexuality.
The schools of course serve the parents not the ‘progressives.’ Hopefully any critics will get a dusty answer and the school principals themselves will arm themselves with the true reasons why and how homosexuality has come to be pedaled as ‘normal.’
Paul E. Rondeau, an American Christian academic and marketing expert authored an excellent article called ‘Selling Homosexuality To America’ in 2002. It is a real eye-opener and should be required reading for all those who regard themselves as educated on this issue.
Alan J Williams, UK
Thanks Bill, and I’m glad you left Mr Austin’s comment on here as we often forget the kind of abuse you have to put up with at the front lines. Barber is certainly an inspiration especially with his comments about sin vs skin! Just should point out that various countries in Africa take the same stance re: SSM, and actually apparently Obama has been told to butt out of their nations in no uncertain terms. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/05/obama-gay-rights-africa-religion-_n_3552142.html
http://www.worldmag.com/2013/07/africans_to_obama_we_believe_in_god
GO AFRICA!!
Dee Graf
The left-wing ABC media has accused the Russian athlete of playing the ‘misunderstanding’ card after showing support for Russia’s ban on promotion of homosexuality. The ABC is playing their own card, their ‘progressive’ card by ignoring her right to have her own views.
Russia has not betrayed its values, unlike so many so-called Christians in Australia who now support gay marriage.
Jannie Tooh
thanks Bill, for a great article. I think the line will be drawn in the sand as to who the true Christians are and which are pretending with the persecution we are about to face in this country. Oh and yes thanks for leaving Tim Austin’s comment it shows how ugly these people have become through desperation! It will never be a marriage covenant in God’s eyes or anyone else who upholds Biblical marriage, so I guess they will be pretending like you said. God bless.
Liz Gee
Dear Bill.
Do I have your permission to post Embrace Homosexualism – Or Else and you other posts here on my Facebook page and quote you as the author with a link to your site?
I am utterly amazed at the complacency of Christians in this matter. If all Christians stood up and got counted it would not be possible for the homosexual lobby to get away with so many lies. If Christians stood up and got counted, many non-Christians would see the lies being spun by the homosexual lobby.
God bless you Bill. You are a prophet, there is no doubt about that.
Paul Copeland
Thanks Paul. Yes feel free.
Bill Muehlenberg, CultureWatch
What’s next? Jenny Craig out of business for offering help for those who wish it? Or, for your car’s (imagined) ailments, no more Beaurepaires? [ouch, I can’t believe I just said that, send me in for some rehab – no, wait! I’m fine (aren’t I? I must be, surely – isn’t everyone?)]
Stephen Phillips
I find it appalling to hear that those offering counselling and therapy to gays and lesbians who request it are being legislated against. It really couldn’t be any clearer, could it, about what the end-game is. And always, Christians are considered as gay-haters, when in fact what we really hope to see is a complete healing. Would it not be a wonderful thing to see all these people return to their full power, as real men and real women, instead of the distorted forms they are currently in?
Chris Dark
Thanks for more good work Bill.
Can gays change?
If 10 gays and 10 lesbians were the last people on earth, would they have the personal character to save mankind – would they change so as to procreate?
Well I believe they would change as they are human at their core.
Not only would they change, but couple G1 & L1, G2 & L2 etc, would each have a public ‘ceremony’ to acknowledge their natural order relationships so that their offspring, and their further offspring, do not later interbreed with each other.
This shows that all gays can change, and that the Marriage institution is of the natural order, because without the capacity to breed we would not warrant such an institution, but it also proves amongst other things that Marriage is an acknowledgement of one’s hereditary relations, and is therefor a vital necessity for the physical and mental health of all individuals.
Marriage and it’s customs [taking the male’s surname, sexual restraint] are therefor a natural antidote to inbreeding and it’s negative effects; childhood mortality in the first year of life, morbidity, and disabled offspring etc.
Changing the physical customs of Marriage to include homosexual activity, is an acknowledgement to the wider community and future generations that Marriage is no longer at it’s core, it’s fundamental characteristic; the physical wellbeing of mankind!
Putin knows a commie when he sees one!
Cheers Bill and thanks again for the good work. God Bless.
Mike Marshall
In the US, the left denigrate the perceived hoarding of guns by the crazy right as preparing for a zombie apocalypse and to protect against a tyrannical government.
Well I never thought I’d say it, but they’ve got their tyrannical government already and the brain dead left is the zombie apocalypse. So arm up.
Graham Jose
Thank you, Bill, for another great article on the homosexualization of most of the world and for including the brilliant response by Tim Austin. But what practical steps can we as Christians take to stop this onslaught of indoctrination in our cultures when even our local churches have given in to the agenda? After the New Jersey ban yesterday, I felt hopeless and thought that we probably will not see any return to normalcy for eons. Very sad.
Lori Lindell
Slightly off topic but of note-
I was very dismayed to read in this mornings papers that the LNP will no longer be preferencing the CDP because at a public forum, the CDP canbdidate when grilled on gay marriage made the statement that because the lifestyle is not a healthy one, homosexuals do not live as long as heterosexuals…….
The LNP immediately reacted by saying they would change all their preferences away from the ‘homophobic’ CDP.
Secondly, in my area the CDP is struggling to find volunteers to man polling booths on election day and I assume it will be the same in most electorates- I just wanted to send a call out to any of your readers who may be interested in helping out to get in touch with the CDP ( or other Christian parties) and offer help if they are able.
Thanks Bill. God Bless you and this ministry- so vital nowadays.
Annette Williams
http://www.news.com.au/national-news/federal-election/exclusive-libs-in-preference-crisis-in-lindsay-over-gay-comments/story-fnho52ip-1226700883582
Russia – Habakkuk in reverse??
John Angelico
People are entitled to their beliefs but what I don’t like about this debate is that because I don’t agree then I am the one with the problem. It seems to me the more one is on the side of truth the more likely you will be opposed. If the gay activists are so sure of their position then there is no need to point the gun at folks like me – but then they are defending a lie. As an individual if I decide the way I am living is wrong and able to find someone to help me then why can’t I use them? Sorry I forgot once gay always gay and we don’t want others to think that you can ungay yourself. Bill none of their arguments make sense unless you are wanting to justify sin!
Joy Smith
Yes, what a wonderful and brave statement from that black man, makes me wish I was black too, the line kind of loses its punch coming from a white person.
Graham, may I extend your definition of discrimination by saying that the choice made after looking at the facts should always be that of “good” or at least that of the “better” and thereby transcending personal opinion.
Bill, I am sad that you have to endure comments like that of Mr. Austin’s, but on the other hand I am glad that your site has gone beyond the circle of the converted and is now challenging those who may never hear the gospel any other way. Therefore, be courageous and we continue to pray for and with you for those who may yet still come into the kingdom.
Many blessings
Ursula Bennett
I’m glad I read Matt Barber’s article when it was first posted. Though I have yet to re-encounter the venom of the homonazis, I have seen some online. For goodness sake, just a few hours ago on a forum a fellow was modded for saying “Real men like women”! I can only imagine what it’ll be like once I become a teacher. Thanks for the article, Bill!
Lucas Lietz
Bill, although I agree with your sentiment about the banning of therapy for homosexuals who want to leave the lifestyle, it seems you have very little to say about the homosexuals who feel condemned and hated and full of guilt and self loathing because of the ‘party line’ you are pulling (no necessary disrespect for your opinions as I’m sure i agree with many/most of them). However as it is more homosexuals feel condemned by the church then they do feel trapped by the gay culture and their way of life, (not saying that this is good by any means, just saying that it is). Shouldnt we try to win over their hearts for Jesus, instead of trying to ‘cure’ them, and hating on their lobby. For Jesus in his day advocated against the pharisees and other self righteous religous organisations, not the sexually immoral people living in his midst. Should we not take Jesus’ example, even if in the flesh accusing these things and attacking them seems like the morally right thing to do?
Angus Simpson
Thanks Angus. Sorry but regrettably I am not buying most of what you have to say here. You offer far too much confused and unbiblical thinking. First, have you read my 300-page book on this topic, or the 400 other articles I have penned on this subject? If not, it is a bit rich to tell me what I am saying or not saying.
And what does hateful and self-loathing have to do with anything? All sinners deep down feel this way – and well they should. Do you want me to apologise for that? Sin of course leads to guilt feelings and the rest – that is how God made us. There is no salvation until we first see ourselves as God sees us: sinners under his wrath who need to repent and flee from our sin. So spare us this silliness about the “party line”. It is the biblical line – one which we all should push, all the time.
Equally unhelpful is your line about the church making homosexuals feel guilty. Of course they feel guilty – because they are guilty. They, like all other sinners, know what they are doing is wrong, and they get angry when this is pointed out to them. This is basic Christianity 101. Try going back to Romans 1 on this for starters.
And why make a false and unbiblical distinction between speaking the truth about homosexuality and winning their hearts over to Jesus? They both of course go together – there is no other way in fact. To win any sinner to Christ, they first must realise they are sinners separated from God heading for a lost eternity. That is why Christ came. If we don’t speak of sin first, we have no reason to speak of grace and salvation later. The latter depends on the former.
And really, spare us this baloney about “hating on their lobby”. How is telling the truth about what the activists are up to – or anything for that matter – hating? To warn of the dangers of, say, drug addiction does not mean you hate the addicts. You can rightly hate the drugs which are destroying people and sending them to an early grave, while loving the individual trapped in this mess.
We all can hate the damage alcoholism does to a person – while still loving the alcoholic at the same time. And what is hateful about telling individual homosexuals that their lifestyle is dangerous, high risk, and possibly life-threatening, and that they need to flee from it? What is hateful about telling any sinner that their sin is something they must flee from if they want to get right with God?
You might as well say opposing the criminal gangs wanting to hook kids on drugs is being hateful. You might as well say Wilberforce was “hating on” the slave owners as he stood up for blacks. Sorry, to love people means resisting what enslaves them. By your unhelpful advice, Wilberforce should have just shut up about abolition, and not make people feel guilty about their sinful activities.
Loving people means telling them the truth. Loving homosexuals means telling them they don’t have to be gay. The only haters here are the activists who want kids to stay trapped in an unwanted and deadly lifestyle.
And your line about “cure” is also unbiblical and unhelpful. You might as well tell a murderer: “Hey, Jesus loves you, and I certainly won’t try to cure you of your killing. Feel free to keep on doing it. I don’t want you to feel guilty after all or feel hated on.” Clearly we don’t love homosexuals or any other sinners very much if we don’t give a rip about them staying trapped in their dead-end and sinful lifestyle.
And you are wrong again on your take on sexual immorality. Not only did Jesus speak much about it, but he made it quite clear to the woman caught in adultery that in order for her to receive the forgiveness of God, she had to “go and sin no more”. There was no cheap grace here – no saying she could just remain in her sin and her sinful lifestyle.
And no, I am not in the flesh; and yes I am following the example of Jesus. He never tolerated sin, he never minimised sin, and he never sidestepped sin. He dealt with it head on, knowing that until a sinner sees his need and repents, he is heading for a lost eternity.
All of these rather lame criticisms I get all the time from the homosexual activists. It is time for those who claim to be Christians to start thinking biblically here, and not embrace the dodgy ideas and faulty mindset of the world.
So I am afraid I have to disagree with you here for the most part. But thanks for your thoughts.
Bill Muehlenberg, CultureWatch
Sound, logical arguments. Well said Bill!!
Erik Ahlblad
Hi Bill,
Just wondering if you think it’s okay for non-Christians to be gay. If these people are not bound by the laws of the Bible, then they are not sinning. Should we not let them live their lives in peace?
Rob Hamilton
Thanks Rob
Umm, no. Wrong on all counts. You might as well ask, ‘Is it okay for non-Christians to be promiscuous, or unfaithful, or belligerent, or argumentative, or arrogant, or disrespectful, or arsonists, or drunks, etc. None of these things are good, although not all are illegal, and if people want to live that way that is up to them. However, if you care about people, you want what is best for them. So if you know someone who is in a risky, dangerous and possible life-shortening lifestyle, then of course you will hope they get out of that. We can’t force people to of course, but if you really love someone you will always will the highest good for them, and not allow them to wallow in their destructive and harmful ways.
And what does the Bible have to do with anything? I have already written two books on this topic, appealing primarily to non-biblical arguments, data, research and evidence. And forget any talk about sin as well if you want. We are talking about basic right and wrong here, and considering the best interests of the other person, of children, and of society.
But if you do insist on dragging sin and the Bible into this, then we also have the sins of murder, theft, lying, and so on. Do you think non-Christians should be exempt from these laws because they are biblical and they are therefore not “sinning” if they pay no attention to them?
And where did I say anything about not allowing people to live in peace? People can do what they want. No one is forcing homosexuals to do anything here. But this article clearly shows us that militant homosexuals are forcing everyone else to what they want – or else. If you are so much into letting people live in peace, why aren’t you making a stink about the homosexual activists who are taking away our freedoms and imposing their own iron wall of political correctness on everyone else?
Bill Muehlenberg, CultureWatch
Thanks for the speedy reply Bill.
And you’re right I haven’t read your book but it’s on my must read list.
I guess as long as we realise the end goal is helping these people come to Jesus, and don’t drive them away with our politics/ rhetoric (regardless of how true our beliefs might be), and remember that yes we are to call sin what it is, as this is a scriptural principle.
But again showing people God’s love should be our first priority, once they are aware of and accept God’s love and will for their life, the other issues are resolved as symptoms.
– Thank you again.
Angus Simpson
A homosexual man or lesbian woman who claims that his or her same-sex attraction is “because I was born that way” is just making an excuse for calling anyone who begs to differ the B-word, i.e. Bigot. The “way they are born” is that the male’s anatomy is biologically designed so that his sperm can be transferred to the female with the chance of fertilising her egg in a loving, mutually attracted sexual union and with the possibility of reproducing another human life. The male is not biologically designed to ejaculate life-giving sperm into the waste exit canal of another man or a woman. The female is not biologically designed to have sexual intercourse with a female substitute of the male. They weren’t born that way; they may choose that way.
In generalised terms, the usual reason for homosexual attraction appears to be that the man may have a shuddering abhorrence of the female body possibly with issues regarding his mother or father thrown in; and he falls in love with the looks and personality of another man. Likewise the woman who prefers a woman as a sexual partner, often has a loathing for men in general and in the case of a man-hating feminist, the logical conclusion would be to gravitate towards another woman. Trans-sexual people have surgical/medical interventions to change their bodies from what they were to what they want them to be. There is a lot of hate and loathing in this, which is not coming from heterosexuals. They are things happening in the mind, not a fixed attribute such as skin colour.
Just as people of various sexual orientations are free to voice their opinions, so people of heterosexual orientation have equal right to uphold their own beliefs, so long as we live in a free country. The fact that so many marriages have failed does not warrant the promotion of more transitory non-binding sexual relationships, mainly because of concerns for children and the relentless erosion of family life for future generations.
Rachel Smith
Angus… Firstly repent of your sin completely and come to Christ, that’s the order of things. When most people are faced with dying and have led a sinful life they cry out for forgiveness hoping to receive Gods mercy in their last moments. Somewhat like some other criminal organisations or terrorists who pray for forgiveness and are then seen all dressed up coming from church then next day going out and committing murder as if God approves, then going back to church ad infinitum.
Do they really think the creator of all things is stupid?
Dennis Newland
To fear the Lord is to hate evil.
Knowledge of the Holy is understanding. To separate the sin God hates from the person He loves and died for is such a huge challenge for us, which we probably won’t get fully hold of in this life. As I am also often accused of being intolerant and unloving, I have determined to let the Holy Spirit point out to me when my manner of presenting the truths of the gospel may unintentionally have added to the offence of the gospel. I want to all I can to present it in such a way that whatever offence people may perceive in what I say to them is purely that of the gospel itself and not in how I say it. And that is so much harder than I had ever anticipated, but hopefully will help me to get towards what Paul truly means when he says we should speak the truth in love. We as believers have all at times felt the pain of the confrontation with that real guilt that we have, which the Holy Spirit exposes and the father forgives when we repent through the redemption Jesus offers through his blood. We are all sinners saved by grace, those of us who have accepted the gift of adoption, but to present this to those who are still in rebellion is not easy and I am sure remains a work in progress.
Many blessings
Ursula Bennett
@Rachel Smith: I do not see any studies or statistics backing up these claims, but what I do see is your personal opinion which shows that you just think that homosexuals choose this because they are a bunch of perverts who dislike the opposite gender?
@ Dennis Newland: Yes people need to realise they need a saviour before they can accept one, but is pointing out the sin of homosexuality above others and focusing on it instead of focusing on human nature in general, and the need for a savior in general really the way to reach these people?
Angus Simpson
Hi Angus, my personal opinion is based on LGT people I know. I don’t expect there are any statistics on the why’s and wherefore’s as there seems to be an official silence on same sex attraction and the necessary discrimination against the opposite sex in terms of sexual partners. I think the conversation needs to be more specific to increase understanding, especially in the light of draconian laws to shut people up who live the heterosexual lifestyle. There are complexities involved which I would like to understand more. For example a homosexual man I knew made derisive sexist remarks about a belly dancer but later acquired a beautiful classic car which he named Sarah. In life everyone paddles their own canoe but we become un-moored from reality at our peril. Good to talk.
Rachel Smith
On “Weekend Sunrise” not long ago Andrew O’Keefe and his female co-host (I can’t remember her name) interviewed, via-satellite, a gay man in the US who, due to some negative experiences was calling for reparative therapy to be banned. Of course there was no perspective from anyone who had actually been helped by it, just the negative as the MSM continues it’s pro-gay juggernaut.
Mick Koster.
Human Rights organizations from around the world are supporting Russia’s effort to protect children from homosexual propaganda.
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/human-rights-groups-support-russias-anti-gay-propaganda-law
Jo Deller
HIV rates in Australia at a 20 year high…
http://www.smh.com.au/national/health/hiv-increase-at-a-20year-high-20131020-2vutk.html
Jo Deller