Comments on: Worshipping at the Altar of Tolerance http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2009/11/10/worshipping-at-the-altar-of-tolerance/ Bill Muehlenberg's commentary on issues of the day... Thu, 02 Sep 2010 11:47:04 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Patricia Halligan http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2009/11/10/worshipping-at-the-altar-of-tolerance/comment-page-1/#comment-161460 Patricia Halligan Sun, 15 Nov 2009 09:44:07 +0000 http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/?p=2115#comment-161460 Dear Bill, Thankyou for your excellent article. You have dealt with Joe Hockey's stance succinctly and accurately. Heaven help us if we ever have him as PM. He will be even more of a ditherer than the one we have. God Bless Always. Patricia Halligan Dear Bill, Thankyou for your excellent article. You have dealt with Joe Hockey’s stance succinctly and accurately. Heaven help us if we ever have him as PM. He will be even more of a ditherer than the one we have. God Bless Always.
Patricia Halligan

]]> By: Bill Muehlenberg http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2009/11/10/worshipping-at-the-altar-of-tolerance/comment-page-1/#comment-161095 Bill Muehlenberg Fri, 13 Nov 2009 05:11:42 +0000 http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/?p=2115#comment-161095 Thanks Peter Yes I certainly did notice that line as well, and also found it to be most troubling. How do we define “loving, compassionate and just”? And who determines this? Politically correct tolerance freaks like Joe? Bill Muehlenberg, CultureWatch Thanks Peter

Yes I certainly did notice that line as well, and also found it to be most troubling.

How do we define “loving, compassionate and just”? And who determines this? Politically correct tolerance freaks like Joe?

Bill Muehlenberg, CultureWatch

]]> By: Peter Grice http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2009/11/10/worshipping-at-the-altar-of-tolerance/comment-page-1/#comment-161091 Peter Grice Fri, 13 Nov 2009 05:05:39 +0000 http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/?p=2115#comment-161091 "...provided that those gods are loving, compassionate and just.” This phrase was alluded to but not directly commented upon as yet, I don't think. It effectively says this: "I will be the arbiter of whether your definition of god fits my definition of a god I would like to tolerate belief in" Or in the negative, "if I don't approve of your god I won't tolerate you..." Could the view be any more insidious? Peter Grice, Think Christianity “…provided that those gods are loving, compassionate and just.”

This phrase was alluded to but not directly commented upon as yet, I don’t think. It effectively says this:

“I will be the arbiter of whether your definition of god fits my definition of a god I would like to tolerate belief in”

Or in the negative, “if I don’t approve of your god I won’t tolerate you…”

Could the view be any more insidious?

Peter Grice, Think Christianity

]]> By: Kameel Majdali http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2009/11/10/worshipping-at-the-altar-of-tolerance/comment-page-1/#comment-160936 Kameel Majdali Thu, 12 Nov 2009 07:31:57 +0000 http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/?p=2115#comment-160936 Since Joe Hockey comes from my part of the world - the Middle East - where people do take their holy books literally - it shows how acclimatised he has become to the religion of tolerance here in Australia. While seeking to appear fair-minded and reasonable, his assertion that 'literal' Christians are the reason for the decline of Christianity in the West is simply not correct. In fact, it is the opposite: the churches that have ditched the plain teaching of Scripture are shrinking while those who stay faithful to the text are holding their own or are growing. Kameel Majdali Since Joe Hockey comes from my part of the world – the Middle East – where people do take their holy books literally – it shows how acclimatised he has become to the religion of tolerance here in Australia. While seeking to appear fair-minded and reasonable, his assertion that ‘literal’ Christians are the reason for the decline of Christianity in the West is simply not correct. In fact, it is the opposite: the churches that have ditched the plain teaching of Scripture are shrinking while those who stay faithful to the text are holding their own or are growing.
Kameel Majdali

]]> By: Stan Fishley http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2009/11/10/worshipping-at-the-altar-of-tolerance/comment-page-1/#comment-160868 Stan Fishley Wed, 11 Nov 2009 22:08:17 +0000 http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/?p=2115#comment-160868 Joe Hockey is 'very brave' for someone who wishes others to one day say to him 'yes, Prime Minister'. He is at the same time championing his honesty whilst leading with a 'False Doctrine of tolerance'. Stan Fishley Joe Hockey is ‘very brave’ for someone who wishes others to one day say to him ‘yes, Prime Minister’. He is at the same time championing his honesty whilst leading with a ‘False Doctrine of tolerance’.
Stan Fishley

]]> By: John Angelico http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2009/11/10/worshipping-at-the-altar-of-tolerance/comment-page-1/#comment-160789 John Angelico Wed, 11 Nov 2009 11:24:14 +0000 http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/?p=2115#comment-160789 Sorry for being a bit opaque in my previous comment. Further to my URL for the hymn "I the Lord of Sea and Sky,” here is a document (pdf, small) which I created, listing verse references exclusively from the OT for each line/concept in the hymn: www.kepl.com.au/lord_sea_sky.pdf It shows how gracious and loving the "OT ogre" really is. It is in a form that can be easily downloaded and shown to "skeptical believers" :-) John Angelico Sorry for being a bit opaque in my previous comment. Further to my URL for the hymn “I the Lord of Sea and Sky,” here is a document (pdf, small) which I created, listing verse references exclusively from the OT for each line/concept in the hymn: http://www.kepl.com.au/lord_sea_sky.pdf

It shows how gracious and loving the “OT ogre” really is. It is in a form that can be easily downloaded and shown to “skeptical believers” :-)

John Angelico

]]> By: Bob Thomas http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2009/11/10/worshipping-at-the-altar-of-tolerance/comment-page-1/#comment-160742 Bob Thomas Wed, 11 Nov 2009 05:03:18 +0000 http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/?p=2115#comment-160742 Joe's philosophy bears alarming similarity to the teachings of the Freemasons, and like all Tolerantians, he's tolerant of everything except Bible-believing Christianity, aka 'Fundamentalism'. Bob Thomas, UK Joe’s philosophy bears alarming similarity to the teachings of the Freemasons, and like all Tolerantians, he’s tolerant of everything except Bible-believing Christianity, aka ‘Fundamentalism’.
Bob Thomas, UK

]]> By: John Thomas http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2009/11/10/worshipping-at-the-altar-of-tolerance/comment-page-1/#comment-160654 John Thomas Tue, 10 Nov 2009 12:58:23 +0000 http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/?p=2115#comment-160654 Surely "tolerant" people are only tolerant of that which they believe in, and very intolerant of people beliving in what they find unacceptable. It depends on who holds the power; they can parade their "tolerance", but just try seriously disagreeing with them, or exposing the hypocrisy (as it usually is) of their high ethics ... Incidentally, Bill, do you have the full refence to that Chesterton quote? John Thomas, UK Surely “tolerant” people are only tolerant of that which they believe in, and very intolerant of people beliving in what they find unacceptable. It depends on who holds the power; they can parade their “tolerance”, but just try seriously disagreeing with them, or exposing the hypocrisy (as it usually is) of their high ethics … Incidentally, Bill, do you have the full refence to that Chesterton quote?
John Thomas, UK

]]> By: John Angelico http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2009/11/10/worshipping-at-the-altar-of-tolerance/comment-page-1/#comment-160645 John Angelico Tue, 10 Nov 2009 11:33:09 +0000 http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/?p=2115#comment-160645 And he trots out the old chestnut of "OT God of vengeance" - not very original. Try this: "I, the Lord of sea and sky": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pntQwrhdLuo John Angelico And he trots out the old chestnut of “OT God of vengeance” – not very original.
Try this: “I, the Lord of sea and sky”:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pntQwrhdLuo
John Angelico

]]> By: Stuart http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2009/11/10/worshipping-at-the-altar-of-tolerance/comment-page-1/#comment-160631 Stuart Tue, 10 Nov 2009 09:00:53 +0000 http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/?p=2115#comment-160631 Bill, said: "Does he not realise that this in fact is the very thing he has just done in his speech?" This is a perpetual source of frustration and amazement to me. They never seem to see their own internal irony and contradictions. The forces of 'tolerance' are shockingly intolerant and believe me, you will only be 'equal' if they like you. I suppose it comes down to the plank and speck. Stuart Mackay, UK Bill, said: “Does he not realise that this in fact is the very thing he has just done in his speech?”

This is a perpetual source of frustration and amazement to me. They never seem to see their own internal irony and contradictions.

The forces of ‘tolerance’ are shockingly intolerant and believe me, you will only be ‘equal’ if they like you.

I suppose it comes down to the plank and speck.

Stuart Mackay, UK

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