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		<title>By: Michael Evans</title>
		<link>http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2009/10/20/resisting-the-green-merchants-of-doom/comment-page-1/#comment-158231</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Evans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 14:29:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bill, its just that your apologetics ministry is inspiring.
Shalom, Michael Evans</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill, its just that your apologetics ministry is inspiring.<br />
Shalom, Michael Evans</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Muehlenberg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Muehlenberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 13:55:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very well done Michael.

We clearly have a mighty poet in our midst. From now on, mere prose commentary will forever appear to be merely second rate!

Bill Muehlenberg, CultureWatch</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very well done Michael.</p>
<p>We clearly have a mighty poet in our midst. From now on, mere prose commentary will forever appear to be merely second rate!</p>
<p>Bill Muehlenberg, CultureWatch</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Evans</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Evans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 13:49:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Sky is(n&#039;t) Falling

DDT Pause in typhoid war
Scores of mosquito sores.

More Wars. Dead on the floors. Slaughter.
Doors closed on the gnawing, clawing poor.

Saw Gore? Boring jaws.
&quot;Warning - Warming.&quot;
Hockey Stick scoring.
Inconvenient British Law says, 
&quot;Education Warning - Flawed Gore&quot; 

Patrick Moore, shows the flaws
&quot;Warning - No Warming.&quot;
Standard Deviation Amplitude coursing.
Polar paws haven&#039;t paused!
CO2 is normal, naturally, of course.

What&#039;s it for?
PC law = Gaia lore.
God&#039;s law - don&#039;t worship the creation

What&#039;s in store?
Exploring tax reforming
forced ETS law
Political whoring.

Ensuring the poor are poor for ever more?

NOT ON OUR SHORES!
Not even yours.

Shalom, Michael Evans</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Sky is(n&#8217;t) Falling</p>
<p>DDT Pause in typhoid war<br />
Scores of mosquito sores.</p>
<p>More Wars. Dead on the floors. Slaughter.<br />
Doors closed on the gnawing, clawing poor.</p>
<p>Saw Gore? Boring jaws.<br />
&#8220;Warning &#8211; Warming.&#8221;<br />
Hockey Stick scoring.<br />
Inconvenient British Law says,<br />
&#8220;Education Warning &#8211; Flawed Gore&#8221; </p>
<p>Patrick Moore, shows the flaws<br />
&#8220;Warning &#8211; No Warming.&#8221;<br />
Standard Deviation Amplitude coursing.<br />
Polar paws haven&#8217;t paused!<br />
CO2 is normal, naturally, of course.</p>
<p>What&#8217;s it for?<br />
PC law = Gaia lore.<br />
God&#8217;s law &#8211; don&#8217;t worship the creation</p>
<p>What&#8217;s in store?<br />
Exploring tax reforming<br />
forced ETS law<br />
Political whoring.</p>
<p>Ensuring the poor are poor for ever more?</p>
<p>NOT ON OUR SHORES!<br />
Not even yours.</p>
<p>Shalom, Michael Evans</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Muehlenberg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Muehlenberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 12:08:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Mark

Appreciate all the time you took in that transcription. Worthwhile reading indeed.

Bill Muehlenberg, CultureWatch</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Mark</p>
<p>Appreciate all the time you took in that transcription. Worthwhile reading indeed.</p>
<p>Bill Muehlenberg, CultureWatch</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Rabich</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Rabich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 11:59:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just got done watching the film twice, the second time with the commentary track, which is worth doing.  Directors Phelim McAleer and Ann McElhinney provide comments, along with Production Manager Magdalena Segieda.  There are a few statements that deserved to be transcribed:

Phelim McAleer: &quot;It&#039;s a fantastic story that the environmentalists are now the true enemies of the poor&quot;

----------

Ann McElhinney: &quot;It&#039;s funny you know because we tell this joke, you know, like we used to think that Americans who home school their children were, you know, religious nutjobs, and we would&#039;ve been very... and I would&#039;ve said that... I would&#039;ve said that to people, you know...without knowing...&quot;

P: &quot;That&#039;s because we&#039;re Europeans!&quot;

A: &quot;...mainly because we&#039;re classical European liberals, whatever, and then you discover, you know, that this film is being called science  - this film &lt;i&gt;An Inconvenient Truth&lt;/i&gt; is shown in schools - children are &lt;i&gt;forced&lt;/i&gt; to watch it in schools - and it&#039;s full of flaws and I s&#039;pose as a teacher, that really galls me, that upsets me, &#039;cause children should only get the very best of what&#039;s available in terms of factual knowledge.&quot;

P: &quot;Well I say to parents now, get your kids out of school, home school them all, because they&#039;re being taught...  you know schools are no longer centres of education, they&#039;re ideological hatcheries.  ...for ...the ideology they&#039;re teaching is far left environmentalism.&quot;

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P: &quot;It&#039;s very interesting how environmentalists they always pick the cute animals that are gonna die cause of global warming, so we&#039;re gonna have less polar bears, we&#039;re gonna have less pandas, less dolphins; we&#039;re gonna have more rats and more mosquitos...  so it looks like global warming has a sort of beauty index where it only kills the beautiful animals and the ugly index where it means we&#039;ll have more ugly animals. Or is it environmentalists spinning this, knowing what appeals to children, what appeals to humans, and it&#039;s got nothing to do with science, it&#039;s got to do with marketing, and you can&#039;t beat a polar bear.
Coca-Cola knew that, that&#039;s why they have a polar bear advertising Coca-Cola.  So if you want to sell something, especially to children, get a polar bear.  ...and if you really want to sell something, tell them the polar bears are gonna die.  ...and that&#039;s not science, that&#039;s manipulation.&quot;

----------

On Mad Cow disease no longer being an issue:

P: &quot;It&#039;s always a new day for environmentalism, they never have say they&#039;re sorry, they never have to say they were wrong, they never have to examine what they did in the past.  Tomorrow&#039;s a new day and tomorrow&#039;s a new scare.&quot;

----------

A: &quot;Phelim and I thought, well we&#039;re in Ireland - the home of music, it&#039;s the home of great music, so this is going to be a piece of, this is going to be a really nice job actually 
so we started bringing composers in.  And I decided the best thing to do was to show them this section of the film, this section that we filmed in Uganda which has a huge effect on everyone that sees it, particularly these pictures Mick O&#039;Rourke took in hospital there, beautiful beautiful pictures, but pictures of human suffering.  ...and I brought in a... nameless composer... let me say, from Ireland.&quot;

P: &quot;It wasn&#039;t Bono!&quot;

A: &quot;...and it wasn&#039;t Bono - showed this section of the film and then when it ended I just sort of sat there in silence and I obviously was waiting for lots of... for him to be...  I mean I actually thought he was going to be so moved by cause this, the sensitivity of a composer, and then he looked at me and said, &quot;What motivated you to do this film?&quot;
...and this is after him witnessing, you know, these extraordinary pictures of these children, this is after him hearing that 370 children die unnecessarily every day in Uganda,  and it kinds of, it kinds of brings out an important point here about ideology and about people not liking, not liking this story because it challenges, it genuinely challenges everything that they have held dear, I think, that&#039;s the problem, it was a shock to me.&quot;

Magdalena Segieda: &quot;Yeah and I had the same experience when showing the film to some of my friends in Europe because they would watch the DDT section and then when we were talking about it they would just completely dismiss it and I think it, you know, for them its so hard to comprehend, that a tragedy like that could happen for no reason, that they prefer just not to believe it - it&#039;s easier.&quot;

P: &quot;Yeah it&#039;s easier not to believe something or not... because...  If you believe the DDT story then it challenges relly all the leftist environmentalist stuff that you&#039;re taught as you grow up.&quot;

----------
There&#039;s other good stuff about how the media ignored reporting on the British High Court assessment of &lt;i&gt;An Inconvenient Truth&lt;/i&gt;, how Greenpeace and WWF have seats on the UN, but no-one representing the poor in Africa or middle America.  They also talk about the class aspect of the environmentalists, how it&#039;s typically affluent people who can afford the higher skyrocketing energy costs that will happen if coal is not used.  And lots more...  worth watching, definitely - and they&#039;ve moved up a bit from their other doco, &lt;i&gt;Mine Your Own Business&lt;/i&gt;, which I actually bought and watched 2 or 3 years back.

Considering what dreadfulness is being proposed in Copenhagen in December, I hope the message of this documentary gets traction amongst as many decision-makers as possible.

Mark Rabich</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just got done watching the film twice, the second time with the commentary track, which is worth doing.  Directors Phelim McAleer and Ann McElhinney provide comments, along with Production Manager Magdalena Segieda.  There are a few statements that deserved to be transcribed:</p>
<p>Phelim McAleer: &#8220;It&#8217;s a fantastic story that the environmentalists are now the true enemies of the poor&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-</p>
<p>Ann McElhinney: &#8220;It&#8217;s funny you know because we tell this joke, you know, like we used to think that Americans who home school their children were, you know, religious nutjobs, and we would&#8217;ve been very&#8230; and I would&#8217;ve said that&#8230; I would&#8217;ve said that to people, you know&#8230;without knowing&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>P: &#8220;That&#8217;s because we&#8217;re Europeans!&#8221;</p>
<p>A: &#8220;&#8230;mainly because we&#8217;re classical European liberals, whatever, and then you discover, you know, that this film is being called science  &#8211; this film <i>An Inconvenient Truth</i> is shown in schools &#8211; children are <i>forced</i> to watch it in schools &#8211; and it&#8217;s full of flaws and I s&#8217;pose as a teacher, that really galls me, that upsets me, &#8217;cause children should only get the very best of what&#8217;s available in terms of factual knowledge.&#8221;</p>
<p>P: &#8220;Well I say to parents now, get your kids out of school, home school them all, because they&#8217;re being taught&#8230;  you know schools are no longer centres of education, they&#8217;re ideological hatcheries.  &#8230;for &#8230;the ideology they&#8217;re teaching is far left environmentalism.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-</p>
<p>P: &#8220;It&#8217;s very interesting how environmentalists they always pick the cute animals that are gonna die cause of global warming, so we&#8217;re gonna have less polar bears, we&#8217;re gonna have less pandas, less dolphins; we&#8217;re gonna have more rats and more mosquitos&#8230;  so it looks like global warming has a sort of beauty index where it only kills the beautiful animals and the ugly index where it means we&#8217;ll have more ugly animals. Or is it environmentalists spinning this, knowing what appeals to children, what appeals to humans, and it&#8217;s got nothing to do with science, it&#8217;s got to do with marketing, and you can&#8217;t beat a polar bear.<br />
Coca-Cola knew that, that&#8217;s why they have a polar bear advertising Coca-Cola.  So if you want to sell something, especially to children, get a polar bear.  &#8230;and if you really want to sell something, tell them the polar bears are gonna die.  &#8230;and that&#8217;s not science, that&#8217;s manipulation.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-</p>
<p>On Mad Cow disease no longer being an issue:</p>
<p>P: &#8220;It&#8217;s always a new day for environmentalism, they never have say they&#8217;re sorry, they never have to say they were wrong, they never have to examine what they did in the past.  Tomorrow&#8217;s a new day and tomorrow&#8217;s a new scare.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-</p>
<p>A: &#8220;Phelim and I thought, well we&#8217;re in Ireland &#8211; the home of music, it&#8217;s the home of great music, so this is going to be a piece of, this is going to be a really nice job actually<br />
so we started bringing composers in.  And I decided the best thing to do was to show them this section of the film, this section that we filmed in Uganda which has a huge effect on everyone that sees it, particularly these pictures Mick O&#8217;Rourke took in hospital there, beautiful beautiful pictures, but pictures of human suffering.  &#8230;and I brought in a&#8230; nameless composer&#8230; let me say, from Ireland.&#8221;</p>
<p>P: &#8220;It wasn&#8217;t Bono!&#8221;</p>
<p>A: &#8220;&#8230;and it wasn&#8217;t Bono &#8211; showed this section of the film and then when it ended I just sort of sat there in silence and I obviously was waiting for lots of&#8230; for him to be&#8230;  I mean I actually thought he was going to be so moved by cause this, the sensitivity of a composer, and then he looked at me and said, &#8220;What motivated you to do this film?&#8221;<br />
&#8230;and this is after him witnessing, you know, these extraordinary pictures of these children, this is after him hearing that 370 children die unnecessarily every day in Uganda,  and it kinds of, it kinds of brings out an important point here about ideology and about people not liking, not liking this story because it challenges, it genuinely challenges everything that they have held dear, I think, that&#8217;s the problem, it was a shock to me.&#8221;</p>
<p>Magdalena Segieda: &#8220;Yeah and I had the same experience when showing the film to some of my friends in Europe because they would watch the DDT section and then when we were talking about it they would just completely dismiss it and I think it, you know, for them its so hard to comprehend, that a tragedy like that could happen for no reason, that they prefer just not to believe it &#8211; it&#8217;s easier.&#8221;</p>
<p>P: &#8220;Yeah it&#8217;s easier not to believe something or not&#8230; because&#8230;  If you believe the DDT story then it challenges relly all the leftist environmentalist stuff that you&#8217;re taught as you grow up.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-<br />
There&#8217;s other good stuff about how the media ignored reporting on the British High Court assessment of <i>An Inconvenient Truth</i>, how Greenpeace and WWF have seats on the UN, but no-one representing the poor in Africa or middle America.  They also talk about the class aspect of the environmentalists, how it&#8217;s typically affluent people who can afford the higher skyrocketing energy costs that will happen if coal is not used.  And lots more&#8230;  worth watching, definitely &#8211; and they&#8217;ve moved up a bit from their other doco, <i>Mine Your Own Business</i>, which I actually bought and watched 2 or 3 years back.</p>
<p>Considering what dreadfulness is being proposed in Copenhagen in December, I hope the message of this documentary gets traction amongst as many decision-makers as possible.</p>
<p>Mark Rabich</p>
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		<title>By: Stan Fishley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stan Fishley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 21:22:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My last 76 years have been a journey of unlearning. Fact and opinion are confused. I endorse this article without reservation.
Stan Fishley</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My last 76 years have been a journey of unlearning. Fact and opinion are confused. I endorse this article without reservation.<br />
Stan Fishley</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Sarfati</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathan Sarfati</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 12:34:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As for the home-grown warm-mongers who blame every drought and forest fire on man-made warming, oops sorry, &quot;climate change&quot;, remember Dorothea MacKellar&#039;s iconic poem &lt;i&gt;My Country&lt;/i&gt;, from 1904! 

I love a sunburnt country, a l&lt;i&gt;of droughts and flooding rains.&lt;/i&gt;
I love her far horizons, I love her jewel-sea,
Her beauty and her terror-the wide brown land for me!

...

Core of my heart, my country! Land of the rainbow gold,
&lt;i&gt;For flood and fire and famine she pays us back threefold.
Over the thirsty paddocks,&lt;/i&gt; watch, after many days,
The filmy veil of greenness that thickens as we gaze.

Jonathan Sarfati, Brisbane</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As for the home-grown warm-mongers who blame every drought and forest fire on man-made warming, oops sorry, &#8220;climate change&#8221;, remember Dorothea MacKellar&#8217;s iconic poem <i>My Country</i>, from 1904! </p>
<p>I love a sunburnt country, a l<i>of droughts and flooding rains.</i><br />
I love her far horizons, I love her jewel-sea,<br />
Her beauty and her terror-the wide brown land for me!</p>
<p>&#8230;</p>
<p>Core of my heart, my country! Land of the rainbow gold,<br />
<i>For flood and fire and famine she pays us back threefold.<br />
Over the thirsty paddocks,</i> watch, after many days,<br />
The filmy veil of greenness that thickens as we gaze.</p>
<p>Jonathan Sarfati, Brisbane</p>
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		<title>By: John Thomas</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 11:54:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well done Bill, spot-on as usual. Yes, as you say, the global warming scam - like others - is just a vehicle for politicians to get more power, and have more control over populations (particularly, Western politicians gaining control over Third World populations). But we can be optimistic on this one; the AGW scam shows clear signs -green shoots indeed - of cracking.
John Thomas, UK</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well done Bill, spot-on as usual. Yes, as you say, the global warming scam &#8211; like others &#8211; is just a vehicle for politicians to get more power, and have more control over populations (particularly, Western politicians gaining control over Third World populations). But we can be optimistic on this one; the AGW scam shows clear signs -green shoots indeed &#8211; of cracking.<br />
John Thomas, UK</p>
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		<title>By: Murray Adamthwaite</title>
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		<dc:creator>Murray Adamthwaite</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 11:49:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Christie,
The rhetoric of the Green movement is built on two assumptions: (1) that the environment is &quot;fragile&quot; and constantly at a &quot;tipping point&quot;, and (2) that man is a toxic factor in the environmental mix. Both of these assumptions are, to be quite candid, sheer claptrap. The first is demonstrably false - the environment has a remarkable ability to recover and &#039;bounce back&#039;, as it were; and the second is downright anti-human. Yet one finds these assumptions coming out constantly in green rhetoric until I am utterly tired of it. You find it on signs in national parks (particularly the first), at beaches, in forests, etc. etc. One also finds it in the &#039;noble savage&#039; ideal, still a shibboleth of the Left in general and the Green movement in particular.

These are just some of the assumptions which reveal to me how the world has gone utterly mad. And to underline this point we now have Gordon Brown, and Tim &#039;flim-flam&#039; Flannery, telling us that we have only until the end of this year to avert environmental catastrophe. Yeah, I&#039;ve heard this before:

&quot;There&#039;ll be bush-fires for sure, me man,
There will, without a doubt;
We&#039;ll all be rooned&quot;, said Hanrahan,
&quot;Before the year is out.&quot;

Murray Adamthwaite</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Christie,<br />
The rhetoric of the Green movement is built on two assumptions: (1) that the environment is &#8220;fragile&#8221; and constantly at a &#8220;tipping point&#8221;, and (2) that man is a toxic factor in the environmental mix. Both of these assumptions are, to be quite candid, sheer claptrap. The first is demonstrably false &#8211; the environment has a remarkable ability to recover and &#8216;bounce back&#8217;, as it were; and the second is downright anti-human. Yet one finds these assumptions coming out constantly in green rhetoric until I am utterly tired of it. You find it on signs in national parks (particularly the first), at beaches, in forests, etc. etc. One also finds it in the &#8216;noble savage&#8217; ideal, still a shibboleth of the Left in general and the Green movement in particular.</p>
<p>These are just some of the assumptions which reveal to me how the world has gone utterly mad. And to underline this point we now have Gordon Brown, and Tim &#8216;flim-flam&#8217; Flannery, telling us that we have only until the end of this year to avert environmental catastrophe. Yeah, I&#8217;ve heard this before:</p>
<p>&#8220;There&#8217;ll be bush-fires for sure, me man,<br />
There will, without a doubt;<br />
We&#8217;ll all be rooned&#8221;, said Hanrahan,<br />
&#8220;Before the year is out.&#8221;</p>
<p>Murray Adamthwaite</p>
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		<title>By: Christie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 09:58:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s an interesting point, Steve. If humankind has &#039;survived&#039; countless other events over &#039;tens of millions of years&#039;, then shouldn&#039;t we be able to evolve to respond to global warming? For that matter, shouldn&#039;t I have stopped getting sunburnt a long time ago? And does that mean the obesity crisis isn&#039;t a crisis at all, because our grandchildren will have evolved to be able to handle greater amounts of saturated fat? 

This is just another example of the media and politicians jumping onto the latest bandwagon driven by some random with a science degree (or without one!).

Christie Ewens</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s an interesting point, Steve. If humankind has &#8216;survived&#8217; countless other events over &#8216;tens of millions of years&#8217;, then shouldn&#8217;t we be able to evolve to respond to global warming? For that matter, shouldn&#8217;t I have stopped getting sunburnt a long time ago? And does that mean the obesity crisis isn&#8217;t a crisis at all, because our grandchildren will have evolved to be able to handle greater amounts of saturated fat? </p>
<p>This is just another example of the media and politicians jumping onto the latest bandwagon driven by some random with a science degree (or without one!).</p>
<p>Christie Ewens</p>
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