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		<title>By: Erik</title>
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		<dc:creator>Erik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Sep 2010 21:24:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They banned homeschooling in the state of California in the US.  Socialist Totalitarianism is spreading the world again, and despite the fight against it in the 1900&#039;s, it&#039;s back with a vengeance this century.  Amazing how the damage from the past has been forgotten instead of repaired.
Erik Stone</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They banned homeschooling in the state of California in the US.  Socialist Totalitarianism is spreading the world again, and despite the fight against it in the 1900&#8242;s, it&#8217;s back with a vengeance this century.  Amazing how the damage from the past has been forgotten instead of repaired.<br />
Erik Stone</p>
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		<title>By: Frank Norros</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank Norros</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 03:44:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Bill, I&#039;m a bit late in getting a comment in but I want to add to this discussion.  I need to work to keep food on the table, pay bills etc.  I am often disheartened when I see what my children get at school, so if I had the means I would gladly stay home and school my own children.  Although I can&#039;t, I have nevertheless looked at what is available for home schooling families.  A few years ago I got great information on the law in Victoria as it stood then from the Home Education Network Inc.  I don&#039;t know if they still exist but their web address is/was www.home-ed.vic.edu.au

By contrast I also sought advice from the Education Dept.  Apart from telling me it was almost impossible, they told me I needed to get &quot;permission&quot; from the Regional Director.  I don&#039;t what the law is now, but actually all I needed to do was inform the principal if withdrawing the children from school so they they wouldn&#039;t be logged as truant.  The Education Depatment sees itself as a mighty saviour of children, but too often they muddle legal requirements with their own self created policies that have no legal standing. 

I urge anyone thinking about home schooling to seriously look into it.  There are plenty of resources available, home schooling network groups and many other supports around.  I often pray to find a way to manage it.

Frank Norros</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Bill, I&#8217;m a bit late in getting a comment in but I want to add to this discussion.  I need to work to keep food on the table, pay bills etc.  I am often disheartened when I see what my children get at school, so if I had the means I would gladly stay home and school my own children.  Although I can&#8217;t, I have nevertheless looked at what is available for home schooling families.  A few years ago I got great information on the law in Victoria as it stood then from the Home Education Network Inc.  I don&#8217;t know if they still exist but their web address is/was <a href="http://www.home-ed.vic.edu.au" rel="nofollow">www.home-ed.vic.edu.au</a></p>
<p>By contrast I also sought advice from the Education Dept.  Apart from telling me it was almost impossible, they told me I needed to get &#8220;permission&#8221; from the Regional Director.  I don&#8217;t what the law is now, but actually all I needed to do was inform the principal if withdrawing the children from school so they they wouldn&#8217;t be logged as truant.  The Education Depatment sees itself as a mighty saviour of children, but too often they muddle legal requirements with their own self created policies that have no legal standing. </p>
<p>I urge anyone thinking about home schooling to seriously look into it.  There are plenty of resources available, home schooling network groups and many other supports around.  I often pray to find a way to manage it.</p>
<p>Frank Norros</p>
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		<title>By: Donna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Donna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 12:44:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since when did the bible say, hand your children over to Casear to educate in the ways he should go?  In fact who owns my children: the Lord or Casear?  

Ephesians 6:4: And, ye fathers, provoke not your children to wrath: but bring them up in the nurture and admonition of the Lord.

Donna Opie</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since when did the bible say, hand your children over to Casear to educate in the ways he should go?  In fact who owns my children: the Lord or Casear?  </p>
<p>Ephesians 6:4: And, ye fathers, provoke not your children to wrath: but bring them up in the nurture and admonition of the Lord.</p>
<p>Donna Opie</p>
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		<title>By: Katharine Hornsby</title>
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		<dc:creator>Katharine Hornsby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 01:19:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hasn&#039;t there just been 2 cases of government action against home schoolers in the news here (WA)? They may or may not be Christian - but the point of the quotation Jeremy used is - they may not be &quot;one of us&quot; but we may be next.
Katharine Hornsby</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hasn&#8217;t there just been 2 cases of government action against home schoolers in the news here (WA)? They may or may not be Christian &#8211; but the point of the quotation Jeremy used is &#8211; they may not be &#8220;one of us&#8221; but we may be next.<br />
Katharine Hornsby</p>
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		<title>By: John Angelico</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Angelico</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 10:35:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello, Bill.

Nice to see some familiar names among your respondents (hi Leon, Mansel, Jeremy!)

That H-S article is a great laugh! We know the Maretts, but we are not impressed by the &quot;Psychologist and former teacher Sally-Anne McCormack&quot;, nor the double-speak of &quot;Education Department spokeswoman Jane Metlikovec&quot;.

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;the department support[s] the right of parents to choose their child&#039;s educational environment.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
... but only on their regulated terms!

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;children will stay at home to be tutored by their parents&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Notice the subtle undermining of parents: &quot;tutored&quot; (well, almost anyone can do &lt;i&gt;that&lt;/i&gt;), not &quot;taught&quot; (only teachers are &lt;i&gt;really&lt;/i&gt; qualified for the serious stuff), and I think Chareen Rushworth would have bought The Three Rs from us many years ago. :-)

Harrold, may I suggest a slight correction to your explanation of Deut 6 (and other passages):
&lt;i&gt;education&lt;/i&gt; as set forth by God Himself, Who knows what is best for us, is the standard.
But the idea of &lt;i&gt;compulsory mass schooling&lt;/i&gt; has been with us a mere 160 years or so, and is truly the &#039;johnny-come-lately&#039; of education theory.
The term &lt;i&gt;school&lt;/i&gt; applies more precisely to a mass of fish swimming in the same direction...

So we usually refer to &lt;i&gt;home education&lt;/i&gt;, even though the expression &lt;i&gt;&#039;home-schooling&#039;&lt;/i&gt; rolls off the tongue more easily, and Jeremy is correct: sadly, most people in the churches don&#039;t see any problem with the school system, nor recognise any loss of freedom from the government&#039;s actions.

John Angelico</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello, Bill.</p>
<p>Nice to see some familiar names among your respondents (hi Leon, Mansel, Jeremy!)</p>
<p>That H-S article is a great laugh! We know the Maretts, but we are not impressed by the &#8220;Psychologist and former teacher Sally-Anne McCormack&#8221;, nor the double-speak of &#8220;Education Department spokeswoman Jane Metlikovec&#8221;.</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;the department support[s] the right of parents to choose their child&#8217;s educational environment.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>&#8230; but only on their regulated terms!</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;children will stay at home to be tutored by their parents&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Notice the subtle undermining of parents: &#8220;tutored&#8221; (well, almost anyone can do <i>that</i>), not &#8220;taught&#8221; (only teachers are <i>really</i> qualified for the serious stuff), and I think Chareen Rushworth would have bought The Three Rs from us many years ago. <img src='http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Harrold, may I suggest a slight correction to your explanation of Deut 6 (and other passages):<br />
<i>education</i> as set forth by God Himself, Who knows what is best for us, is the standard.<br />
But the idea of <i>compulsory mass schooling</i> has been with us a mere 160 years or so, and is truly the &#8216;johnny-come-lately&#8217; of education theory.<br />
The term <i>school</i> applies more precisely to a mass of fish swimming in the same direction&#8230;</p>
<p>So we usually refer to <i>home education</i>, even though the expression <i>&#8216;home-schooling&#8217;</i> rolls off the tongue more easily, and Jeremy is correct: sadly, most people in the churches don&#8217;t see any problem with the school system, nor recognise any loss of freedom from the government&#8217;s actions.</p>
<p>John Angelico</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Coventry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Coventry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 09:07:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unfortunately some parents are all too keen to &quot;handover&quot; their responsibility as the primary educators of their children. School working bees are a wonderful opportunity to network with other parents and teachers alike, yet it is the same committed parents who attend. Being actively involved as a parent on school Boards etc. enables one to have input and become aware of any &quot;unsavoury&quot; agendas. I realize that not all schools encourage active parental involvement and those that do understand this partnership and respect the role of parents as the primary educators. Sadly many parents just drop their kids at the school gate and expect the education system to provide the discipline and direction that they do not. We must encourage parents to take greater responsibility or the State will fill the void.
Peter Coventry</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately some parents are all too keen to &#8220;handover&#8221; their responsibility as the primary educators of their children. School working bees are a wonderful opportunity to network with other parents and teachers alike, yet it is the same committed parents who attend. Being actively involved as a parent on school Boards etc. enables one to have input and become aware of any &#8220;unsavoury&#8221; agendas. I realize that not all schools encourage active parental involvement and those that do understand this partnership and respect the role of parents as the primary educators. Sadly many parents just drop their kids at the school gate and expect the education system to provide the discipline and direction that they do not. We must encourage parents to take greater responsibility or the State will fill the void.<br />
Peter Coventry</p>
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		<title>By: Fiona Reeves</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fiona Reeves</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 08:29:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The more power the state takes away from the family, the easier it is to control them. Brainwash them in school with statements such as only poor people have big families, decreasing the population increases the quality of life, globalization of economies leads to fairer business... I could go on and on. Craziness!

Why would you want people teaching their children at home? They might indoctrinate the poor things with the Truth and with Facts? Heavens above!

Fiona Reeves</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The more power the state takes away from the family, the easier it is to control them. Brainwash them in school with statements such as only poor people have big families, decreasing the population increases the quality of life, globalization of economies leads to fairer business&#8230; I could go on and on. Craziness!</p>
<p>Why would you want people teaching their children at home? They might indoctrinate the poor things with the Truth and with Facts? Heavens above!</p>
<p>Fiona Reeves</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Newton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon Newton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 07:53:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nothing much to add, I just want to add my support to all these contributors. The issue is not education as such but freedom of religion.
Jon Newton</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nothing much to add, I just want to add my support to all these contributors. The issue is not education as such but freedom of religion.<br />
Jon Newton</p>
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		<title>By: Mansel Rogerson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mansel Rogerson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 07:28:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Bill,

Yes, the increasing number of children being educated outside the watchful eye and control of the government is, no doubt, what promted the recent change in the law in Victoria.

The government knew they had to strike early. Despite the valiant attempts of home-educating parents, this legislation passed with barely a ripple being felt. 

Now by the time politically important numbers of parents embrace home-education they will be already cowed and much more easily controlled by the threat of fines and having had to in-principle submit by signing the approved subjects list.

Mansel Rogerson</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Bill,</p>
<p>Yes, the increasing number of children being educated outside the watchful eye and control of the government is, no doubt, what promted the recent change in the law in Victoria.</p>
<p>The government knew they had to strike early. Despite the valiant attempts of home-educating parents, this legislation passed with barely a ripple being felt. </p>
<p>Now by the time politically important numbers of parents embrace home-education they will be already cowed and much more easily controlled by the threat of fines and having had to in-principle submit by signing the approved subjects list.</p>
<p>Mansel Rogerson</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Muehlenberg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Muehlenberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 07:08:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Mansel

Of interest, in today’s &lt;i&gt;Herald Sun there&lt;/i&gt; there is an article on the increasing number of homeschooled kids in Victoria: http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,25771575-2862,00.html 

Bill Muehlenberg, CultureWatch</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Mansel</p>
<p>Of interest, in today’s <i>Herald Sun there</i> there is an article on the increasing number of homeschooled kids in Victoria: <a href="http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,25771575-2862,00.html" rel="nofollow">www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,25771575-2862,00.html</a> </p>
<p>Bill Muehlenberg, CultureWatch</p>
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