Comments on: Obama, Islam and Appeasement

By: Bill Muehlenberg

Bill Muehlenberg — Wed, 05 Aug 2009 11:42:26 +0000

Thanks Nathan

To point out what even many Muslim women have complained about is neither an attack, not offensive, nor uninformed. But it seems that shooting the messenger is one way to deal with what you don’t want to hear.

The poor condition of women in Islam is well attested in the Koran, the Hadith, and in 1400 years of Islamic history. It is silly in the extreme to take a few Western Muslims and extrapolate from their situation to that of all others. Of course some Muslim women will be happy with their condition, especially in the free West. That is completely beside the point.

And your remark about Western women is a complete red herring. Where in this site have I ever said I approve of the sexualised nature of the West? But in terms of freedom and human rights for women, there is simply no comparison between the West and the Islamic world. I have written elsewhere on this topic. If you want to pretend that no such problems exist, that is up to you.

www.billmuehlenberg.com/2009/06/24/a-review-of-cruel-and-unusual-punishment-by-nonie-darwish/
www.billmuehlenberg.com/2006/11/02/islam-and-women/
www.billmuehlenberg.com/2008/02/22/islam-and-women-2/

Bill Muehlenberg, CultureWatch

By: Nathan

Nathan — Wed, 05 Aug 2009 00:27:43 +0000

Bill, using “most Islamic women” for your attack on Islam as undignified and intolerant was offensive and uninformed.

Many proud Islamic Australian woman have told me of the liberty they feel through their faith and culture. One such example came through a friend of mine who commented on the apparent “tolerance and freedom” in Australia, which drives “Western, white women” to be scantily dressed and spend $20,000 on plastic surgery – all to please men.

She argued the hi-jab, by contrast allows her to express her faith without folding to the fashions and pressures of secularism, which so many Christian women follow.

Nathan Clarke

By: Kendra

Kendra — Mon, 22 Jun 2009 15:09:13 +0000

I’m so glad I found your site. It’s gratifying to find others that understand the threat of Islam and write about it so eruditely. Coincidentally, my husband wrote about this here: actwestnashville.com/?p=723

I’m not sure you’re aware of this, but one of Obama’s first actions after he became President was to return a bust of Winston Churchill that was given to Bush from Blair. Us who understand Islam and Obama, immediately understood what this meant. I think it means that Churchill is not considered a hero to Obama. It may mean that Obama’s actions do not signify appeasement, afterall. This may mean that Obama is intentionally behaving as he does to reach understood desired goals rather than ignorantly hoping for the best as Chamberlain did.

www.newsweek.com/id/185839

Sir Winston Churchill, from The River War, first edition, Vol. II, pages 248-50 (London: Longmans, Green & Co., 1899):

“How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men. Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities – but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilisation of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilisation of ancient Rome.”

Kendra Mallock, USA

By: Bill Muehlenberg

Bill Muehlenberg — Tue, 09 Jun 2009 03:14:23 +0000

Thanks guys

This is an excellent article on Obama and Islam. Prior to the US elections Obama touted his Christian credentials. Since then, he has been touting his Muslim credentials, while rubbishing Christianity. Please have a read of this: townhall.com/columnists/RobertKnight/2009/06/08/obama_nations_low_view_of_christianity

Bill Muehlenberg, CultureWatch

By: Jonathan Sarfati

Jonathan Sarfati — Mon, 08 Jun 2009 23:37:43 +0000

Charles Krauthammer: Obamov made the wussiest statement about Iran and did more to de-legitimize Israel of any American President (see video). Jonathan Sarfati, Brisbane

By: wayne

wayne — Mon, 08 Jun 2009 23:20:11 +0000

I have never trusted Obama-the Obama messiah-and believe that he is a very good example of Chamberlainism. I think that memebrs of the United Auto Workers union are feeling disenchanted with him now. I have just finished an excellent book by Kim Riddlebarger called THE MAN OF SIN and wondered if Obama is a prototype.
Wayne Pelling

By: Garth

Garth — Mon, 08 Jun 2009 10:23:40 +0000

You beat me to it Phil and Ian. As they say… “follow the money” for where your money is so is your heart. Simply put Barrack Hussein Obama is a wolf in sheep’s clothing. He is cunning, plays to the liberals, says enough to mollify people of both sides who sit the fence or are close to the middle who want to believe in hope and change, ridicules or ignores those ‘ignorant fundamentalists’ that stand up against him, but you’d be naive to think he doesn’t have his own agenda. He has hidden as much of his origin and his past as possible yet there’s enough to lead us to the conclusion that his true leanings are strongly anti-Christian and pro-Muslim, anti-life and pro-death, talks peace but promotes a path to war, and hastily pushes through a reckless financial ‘rescue’ package that instead will sink the US economy. I’d say that he is an incompetent if it weren’t for the fact I believe just the opposite and so that only leaves me with the choice of anti-God, anti-Israel, anti-life and ultimately anti-American.
Garth Penglase

By: Madge Fahy

Madge Fahy — Mon, 08 Jun 2009 07:05:18 +0000

Spot on once again Bill. What would we do without your clear thinking on such matters. The spoken word often sound great until you actually read what was said. When it comes to Obama the proof is in the reading and it tells quite a different story, generally one that Christians cannot support. My friends in America have asked for prayers for their beloved America and for the conversion of their President.
Madge Fahy

By: Bill Muehlenberg

Bill Muehlenberg — Mon, 08 Jun 2009 04:38:44 +0000

Another good piece on how Obama seeks to placate the West’s enemies:

www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/personal-view/5462482/Barack-Obama-extends-his-hand-to-Islams-despots.html

Bill Muehlenberg, CultureWatch

By: Ian Brearley

Ian Brearley — Mon, 08 Jun 2009 03:07:52 +0000

I strongly agree with Phil Twiss. I wouldn’t believe a thing Obama said. I watched a u-tube video of a good evangelical Christian pastor point out to Obama that homosexuality is an abomination to God, and Obama’s response was “I don’t need to be lectured by Pastor …….- I have my own pastor etc etc.. He does have his own pastor (I’d say) and his own God, but not the God of the Bible. He never seems to want to debate any godly person re his beliefs or agenda, but only gather around him people of his own beliefs and agenda. I think he is a very dangerous pretender (spin merchant) and that America and the West will be very sorry that he ever became president.
Ian Brearley