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	<title>Comments on: Is it Ever Right to Rebuke? The Cases of Rick Warren and Notre Dame</title>
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		<title>By: Bill Muehlenberg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Muehlenberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 04:32:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks guys

As another example of “Catholic” Georgetown University going off the rails, on Wednesday its Law School will present an award to pro-abortion VP Joe Biden: http://www.christiannewswire.com/news/9900610130.html 

Bill Muehlenberg, CultureWatch</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks guys</p>
<p>As another example of “Catholic” Georgetown University going off the rails, on Wednesday its Law School will present an award to pro-abortion VP Joe Biden: <a href="http://www.christiannewswire.com/news/9900610130.html" rel="nofollow">www.christiannewswire.com/news/9900610130.html</a> </p>
<p>Bill Muehlenberg, CultureWatch</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Sarfati</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathan Sarfati</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 01:40:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another megachurch pastor unequally yoked with the christophobic Obama, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.lifenews.com/nat4994.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Joel Hunter, has become a shill for Obama&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://creation.com/article/5828&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;extremist pro-abort and &lt;a href=&quot;http://creation.com/article/6425&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;pro–embryonic-stem-cell-research (and anti–adult-stem-cell-research) views&lt;/a&gt;, while still pretending to be pro-life.
Jonathan Sarfati, Brisbane</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another megachurch pastor unequally yoked with the christophobic Obama, <a href="http://www.lifenews.com/nat4994.html" rel="nofollow">Joel Hunter, has become a shill for Obama&#8217;s </a><a href="http://creation.com/article/5828" rel="nofollow">extremist pro-abort and </a><a href="http://creation.com/article/6425" rel="nofollow">pro–embryonic-stem-cell-research (and anti–adult-stem-cell-research) views</a>, while still pretending to be pro-life.<br />
Jonathan Sarfati, Brisbane</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Muehlenberg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Muehlenberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Apr 2009 02:13:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks guys

Now it turns out that “Christian” Obama ordered the covering of a Christian symbol while he spoke at Georgetown University, which is meant to be a Catholic school: http://www.christiannewswire.com/news/9582610072.html 

Bill Muehlenberg, CultureWatch</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks guys</p>
<p>Now it turns out that “Christian” Obama ordered the covering of a Christian symbol while he spoke at Georgetown University, which is meant to be a Catholic school: <a href="http://www.christiannewswire.com/news/9582610072.html" rel="nofollow">www.christiannewswire.com/news/9582610072.html</a> </p>
<p>Bill Muehlenberg, CultureWatch</p>
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		<title>By: Ewan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ewan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 23:26:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here are a few more links:

An update from OneNewsNow.com on the Warren issue: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.onenewsnow.com/Church/Default.aspx?id=490540&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Marriage should be on every pastor&#039;s &#039;agenda&#039;&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYIWSyMrhRA&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;A YouTube video of the Larry King interview with Warren&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7o4QqGbQmU0&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;A YouTube video of Warren endorsing Prop 8&lt;/a&gt;

Ewan McDonald.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here are a few more links:</p>
<p>An update from <a href="http://OneNewsNow.com" class="autohyperlink" title="http://OneNewsNow.com" target="_blank">OneNewsNow.com</a> on the Warren issue: <a href="http://www.onenewsnow.com/Church/Default.aspx?id=490540" rel="nofollow">Marriage should be on every pastor&#8217;s &#8216;agenda&#8217;</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYIWSyMrhRA" rel="nofollow">A YouTube video of the Larry King interview with Warren</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7o4QqGbQmU0" rel="nofollow">A YouTube video of Warren endorsing Prop 8</a></p>
<p>Ewan McDonald.</p>
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		<title>By: david skinner</title>
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		<dc:creator>david skinner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 07:32:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wayne what you describe in the way of your whole church being mobilised (forced) to buy the books, “A Purpose Driven Life,” &quot;A Purpose Driven Church” and finally 40 Days of Purpose - at great expense - must be something that many of us have experienced by churches, large and small, from the north pole to the south pole. I too have “shaken the dust of my sandals,” but over the issue of women in leadership and preaching roles.

However, though you and I might feel some sense of self righteousness over this, the possibility remains that we will all have a Rick Warren moment. Maybe we have not yet come under the kind of pressure that he has come under. This reminds me of Thomas Cranmer, let’s pray that Rick Warren is convicted, boldly repudiates homosexuality and all else in his teaching that up till now has led people astray. 
http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/TUDcranmer.htm

Bill, Randall Terry forgot to mention the VW Beetle car.  

David Skinner</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wayne what you describe in the way of your whole church being mobilised (forced) to buy the books, “A Purpose Driven Life,” &#8220;A Purpose Driven Church” and finally 40 Days of Purpose &#8211; at great expense &#8211; must be something that many of us have experienced by churches, large and small, from the north pole to the south pole. I too have “shaken the dust of my sandals,” but over the issue of women in leadership and preaching roles.</p>
<p>However, though you and I might feel some sense of self righteousness over this, the possibility remains that we will all have a Rick Warren moment. Maybe we have not yet come under the kind of pressure that he has come under. This reminds me of Thomas Cranmer, let’s pray that Rick Warren is convicted, boldly repudiates homosexuality and all else in his teaching that up till now has led people astray.<br />
<a href="http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/TUDcranmer.htm" rel="nofollow">www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/TUDcranmer.htm</a></p>
<p>Bill, Randall Terry forgot to mention the VW Beetle car.  </p>
<p>David Skinner</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Muehlenberg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Muehlenberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 09:14:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Jonathan

Speaking of the Nazis, and referring back to the topic of Obama speaking at a Catholic University: Obama has now been invited to address another Catholic school, Georgetown University. Pro-lifer Randall Terry made a neat comment about this yesterday, reminding us of those Christians who voted for Obama despite his horrible pro-abortion record:

&quot;Georgetown&#039;s attitude seems to be: Germany&#039;s leaders built great roads in the 1930s, they helped save the banks, and they rebuilt the economy. Let&#039;s focus on their economy - not that whole genocide thing.”

Many believers take the same attitude with Obama: yeah, he is not very pro-life, but he is trying to reach out to others, and bring change, and be tolerant, and…

Bill Muehlenberg, CultureWatch</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Jonathan</p>
<p>Speaking of the Nazis, and referring back to the topic of Obama speaking at a Catholic University: Obama has now been invited to address another Catholic school, Georgetown University. Pro-lifer Randall Terry made a neat comment about this yesterday, reminding us of those Christians who voted for Obama despite his horrible pro-abortion record:</p>
<p>&#8220;Georgetown&#8217;s attitude seems to be: Germany&#8217;s leaders built great roads in the 1930s, they helped save the banks, and they rebuilt the economy. Let&#8217;s focus on their economy &#8211; not that whole genocide thing.”</p>
<p>Many believers take the same attitude with Obama: yeah, he is not very pro-life, but he is trying to reach out to others, and bring change, and be tolerant, and…</p>
<p>Bill Muehlenberg, CultureWatch</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Sarfati</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathan Sarfati</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 08:49:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David Skinner makes a good point re the Nazis.  Many on the left compare supporters of traditional marriage with the Hitler regime.  Yet Hitler would never have risen to power without the support of the SA (Sturmabteilung) or Blackshirts, led by Ernst Röhm (1887–1934). Yet in his huge volume on Nazi history, &lt;i&gt;The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich&lt;/i&gt;, journalist and historian William Shirer (1904–1993) describes Röhm as ‘a stocky, bull-necked, piggish-eyed, scar-faced professional soldier…[and] like so many of the early Nazis, a homosexual.’ Of course, it is not politically correct to mention this connection.

See also Lively Scott, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.leaderu.com/jhs/lively.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Homosexuality and the Nazi Party&lt;/a&gt;, Leadership University, 13 July 2002; see also &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.drjudithreisman.com/archives/pink_swastika.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Pink Swastika as Holocaust Revisionist History&lt;/a&gt; by Dr Judith Reisman.

Jonathan Sarfati, Brisbane</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David Skinner makes a good point re the Nazis.  Many on the left compare supporters of traditional marriage with the Hitler regime.  Yet Hitler would never have risen to power without the support of the SA (Sturmabteilung) or Blackshirts, led by Ernst Röhm (1887–1934). Yet in his huge volume on Nazi history, <i>The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich</i>, journalist and historian William Shirer (1904–1993) describes Röhm as ‘a stocky, bull-necked, piggish-eyed, scar-faced professional soldier…[and] like so many of the early Nazis, a homosexual.’ Of course, it is not politically correct to mention this connection.</p>
<p>See also Lively Scott, <a href="http://www.leaderu.com/jhs/lively.html" rel="nofollow">Homosexuality and the Nazi Party</a>, Leadership University, 13 July 2002; see also <a href="http://www.drjudithreisman.com/archives/pink_swastika.pdf" rel="nofollow">The Pink Swastika as Holocaust Revisionist History</a> by Dr Judith Reisman.</p>
<p>Jonathan Sarfati, Brisbane</p>
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		<title>By: wayne pelling</title>
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		<dc:creator>wayne pelling</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 01:09:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I left a Uniting Church in 2004 because of the manner in which Warren&#039;s PURPOSE DRIVEN CHURCH booklet was being promoted-&quot;you will be allocated to study groups&quot; and I felt that it was relying upon man and not upon the Holy Spirit.
I feel vindicated but also sad that Warren has back-pedalled and brought shame to the Name of Jesus.
Wayne Pelling</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I left a Uniting Church in 2004 because of the manner in which Warren&#8217;s PURPOSE DRIVEN CHURCH booklet was being promoted-&#8221;you will be allocated to study groups&#8221; and I felt that it was relying upon man and not upon the Holy Spirit.<br />
I feel vindicated but also sad that Warren has back-pedalled and brought shame to the Name of Jesus.<br />
Wayne Pelling</p>
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		<title>By: Alan A. Hoysted</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan A. Hoysted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 12:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is incredible that the Catholic Education Office is not subject to the authority of the Catholic Bishops.
We find a Catholic State MP who voted in favour of abortion  in Victoria last year, and should have been rebuked by the Church, has now been honoured by a Catholic Primary School in western Melbourne [St. Bernard&#039;s] which has made him [Justin Madden] a Member of the school Hall of Fame!
I hope the parishoners will treat this as a deliberate insult to all those couageous people who have fought against abortion for almost 40 years, and cease their financial support. It is also an insult to the Holy Father who has specifically laid it on the line that Catholic politicians cannot support abortion. Stop funding this school!

The same applies to Notre Dame University in the US, which should cease claiming to be Catholic and have all Catholic financial support withdrawn.

Alan A. Hoysted</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is incredible that the Catholic Education Office is not subject to the authority of the Catholic Bishops.<br />
We find a Catholic State MP who voted in favour of abortion  in Victoria last year, and should have been rebuked by the Church, has now been honoured by a Catholic Primary School in western Melbourne [St. Bernard's] which has made him [Justin Madden] a Member of the school Hall of Fame!<br />
I hope the parishoners will treat this as a deliberate insult to all those couageous people who have fought against abortion for almost 40 years, and cease their financial support. It is also an insult to the Holy Father who has specifically laid it on the line that Catholic politicians cannot support abortion. Stop funding this school!</p>
<p>The same applies to Notre Dame University in the US, which should cease claiming to be Catholic and have all Catholic financial support withdrawn.</p>
<p>Alan A. Hoysted</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Stokes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Stokes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 11:31:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I suspect Mr Warren is no different to our current Prime Minister, Barack Obama and many others who call themselves Christians, happy to say they don&#039;t support same-sex marriage but ready to give ground to homosexuals on everything else.
Only trouble is, when the fire really gets hot they will turn their backs on anyone, even their mates, in order to try and put the fire out!
Peter Stokes</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suspect Mr Warren is no different to our current Prime Minister, Barack Obama and many others who call themselves Christians, happy to say they don&#8217;t support same-sex marriage but ready to give ground to homosexuals on everything else.<br />
Only trouble is, when the fire really gets hot they will turn their backs on anyone, even their mates, in order to try and put the fire out!<br />
Peter Stokes</p>
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