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		<title>By: Stuart Reece</title>
		<link>http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2009/04/07/governments-sexualising-our-children/comment-page-1/#comment-158008</link>
		<dc:creator>Stuart Reece</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 02:54:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi John Detan,

I note your closing comments in relation to rotten religion and hypocrites who practice it.

You are in good company.

Jesus had the same trouble.

Nevertheless we fall into a grave error if we allow our anger or personals feelings to become an excuse for unbridled self-indulgence.  Every culture which allows itself to be engulfed by this fails, usually quite rapidly.  This is a classic study in sociological history.  The fall of Rome, and the fate of Lesbos are only two examples.

For example many Australians feel that football is a great game, in spite of the behavior of some of its leading exponents, not because of it.

Life is about ultimate reality, not the things you can touch and taste and fell and see and have sex with.  That is why so many addicts – sex addicts included – are so unfulfilled.  It is because men (and women) are not machines, and therefore fulfillment of our pleasurable desires systems is guaranteed to leave our spirits dry as dust.

Which of course is why homosexual rights can never succeed at a fundamental human level, although they may for a time “gain the numbers” at the political and media level.

God showed us that man was made in the image of God.  When we attempt to re-make ourselves in either our own image, or after the image of anything which we might choose – usually sex drugs and rock and roll – then unfulfilment, and the awful fruits of a barren soul is a sure fire guaranteed harvest.

If you study the great saints, most of them cultivated a strong faith in the face of opposition, not of approbation.

Jesus said “Blessed are the pure in heart for they shall see God.”  Only Christ offers true purity of spirit.  Everything else is a pig sty.

This might sound strange, but to many people the most attractive part of God is not his “togetherness” – power, strength, wisdom, beauty, glory, majesty – but his brokenness, especially seen in the dying tortured form of self-sacrifice of taking our sins in His body on the cross to hell.

One missionary I knew who became very great and strong, was a pastor’s son.  He said just what you said:  “I do not know anybody who lives life the way you said it should be lived.”  He felt God say to him “Nor do I.  I want you to be that man.”  He has now done many mighty miracles and lives in the Mexican jungles just like Jesus did.

Why not?

What does unbridled self indulgence have to compare with “seeing the face of God” ???

Best regards,

Stuart Reece.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi John Detan,</p>
<p>I note your closing comments in relation to rotten religion and hypocrites who practice it.</p>
<p>You are in good company.</p>
<p>Jesus had the same trouble.</p>
<p>Nevertheless we fall into a grave error if we allow our anger or personals feelings to become an excuse for unbridled self-indulgence.  Every culture which allows itself to be engulfed by this fails, usually quite rapidly.  This is a classic study in sociological history.  The fall of Rome, and the fate of Lesbos are only two examples.</p>
<p>For example many Australians feel that football is a great game, in spite of the behavior of some of its leading exponents, not because of it.</p>
<p>Life is about ultimate reality, not the things you can touch and taste and fell and see and have sex with.  That is why so many addicts – sex addicts included – are so unfulfilled.  It is because men (and women) are not machines, and therefore fulfillment of our pleasurable desires systems is guaranteed to leave our spirits dry as dust.</p>
<p>Which of course is why homosexual rights can never succeed at a fundamental human level, although they may for a time “gain the numbers” at the political and media level.</p>
<p>God showed us that man was made in the image of God.  When we attempt to re-make ourselves in either our own image, or after the image of anything which we might choose – usually sex drugs and rock and roll – then unfulfilment, and the awful fruits of a barren soul is a sure fire guaranteed harvest.</p>
<p>If you study the great saints, most of them cultivated a strong faith in the face of opposition, not of approbation.</p>
<p>Jesus said “Blessed are the pure in heart for they shall see God.”  Only Christ offers true purity of spirit.  Everything else is a pig sty.</p>
<p>This might sound strange, but to many people the most attractive part of God is not his “togetherness” – power, strength, wisdom, beauty, glory, majesty – but his brokenness, especially seen in the dying tortured form of self-sacrifice of taking our sins in His body on the cross to hell.</p>
<p>One missionary I knew who became very great and strong, was a pastor’s son.  He said just what you said:  “I do not know anybody who lives life the way you said it should be lived.”  He felt God say to him “Nor do I.  I want you to be that man.”  He has now done many mighty miracles and lives in the Mexican jungles just like Jesus did.</p>
<p>Why not?</p>
<p>What does unbridled self indulgence have to compare with “seeing the face of God” ???</p>
<p>Best regards,</p>
<p>Stuart Reece.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Muehlenberg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Muehlenberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 13:06:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks John

But all you provide is yet more bluff and bluster – even more bizarre and off-target than your buddy Alec. You certainly won’t win very many arguments that way. Indeed, your claims are as laughable as they are dishonest. 

We know for a fact that anal intercourse will much more efficiently spread HIV. Any medical doctor can explain to you the basics here, such as the differences between the female vagina and the male urethra and rectum, and how they impact on the transmission of HIV. While HIV is in fact relatively difficult to transmit, the overwhelming risk factor for its spread is of course receptive anal intercourse.  As one major study concluded, “the number of episodes of anal intercourse was the only significant independent predictor of HIV seropositivity”.

Claiming that high HIV rates among homosexuals are solely due to social disapproval had me ROFL. So that explains why HIV rates are so high among homosexuals in places where they have overwhelming social approval, such as San Francisco and Sydney?

And of course the high HIV rates in Africa are mainly due to two things: anal intercourse (in order to avoid pregnancy) and poor medical conditions.

Moreover, we know that the only African nation to actually see a reduction in HIV rates is Uganda, which has put condom use on the bottom of its priority list, and emphasised instead abstinence and faithfulness in marriage.

So yes you are right, we need to listen to what science is telling us. And that certainly is not what you are saying.

When faced with outright baloney and falsehoods such as you have tried to palm off on us here, one can see why the pro-homosexual cause does not have a leg to stand on. Sorry, but telling lies often enough and loud enough will never establish the truth. But I realise of course that your side is far happier to put ideology ahead of facts, evidence and science.

Bill Muehlenberg, CultureWatch</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks John</p>
<p>But all you provide is yet more bluff and bluster – even more bizarre and off-target than your buddy Alec. You certainly won’t win very many arguments that way. Indeed, your claims are as laughable as they are dishonest. </p>
<p>We know for a fact that anal intercourse will much more efficiently spread HIV. Any medical doctor can explain to you the basics here, such as the differences between the female vagina and the male urethra and rectum, and how they impact on the transmission of HIV. While HIV is in fact relatively difficult to transmit, the overwhelming risk factor for its spread is of course receptive anal intercourse.  As one major study concluded, “the number of episodes of anal intercourse was the only significant independent predictor of HIV seropositivity”.</p>
<p>Claiming that high HIV rates among homosexuals are solely due to social disapproval had me ROFL. So that explains why HIV rates are so high among homosexuals in places where they have overwhelming social approval, such as San Francisco and Sydney?</p>
<p>And of course the high HIV rates in Africa are mainly due to two things: anal intercourse (in order to avoid pregnancy) and poor medical conditions.</p>
<p>Moreover, we know that the only African nation to actually see a reduction in HIV rates is Uganda, which has put condom use on the bottom of its priority list, and emphasised instead abstinence and faithfulness in marriage.</p>
<p>So yes you are right, we need to listen to what science is telling us. And that certainly is not what you are saying.</p>
<p>When faced with outright baloney and falsehoods such as you have tried to palm off on us here, one can see why the pro-homosexual cause does not have a leg to stand on. Sorry, but telling lies often enough and loud enough will never establish the truth. But I realise of course that your side is far happier to put ideology ahead of facts, evidence and science.</p>
<p>Bill Muehlenberg, CultureWatch</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Muehlenberg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Muehlenberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 13:03:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Alec

I am quite relaxed actually. But perhaps it is you who is agitated, especially if you need to throw profanities around, given that your arguments are clearly not up to scratch.

Figures on homosexuality and HIV are of course readily available. For all your bluster, it is odd that you appear to be so ignorant of them. Why don’t you try the National Centre in HIV Social Research, the National Centre in HIV Epidemiology and Clinical Research, and the AIDS Council of New South Wales for starters? They will tell you the very same thing that I have just said in terms of percentages, prevalence rates, high-risk groups, and so on.

As but one (of many) stats, according to a recent &lt;i&gt;Australian HIV Surveillance Report&lt;/i&gt;, 80.5 per cent of HIV cases in Australia were due to male homosexual/bisexual contact; 4.9 per cent were due to male homosexual/bisexual contact and drug use; and 3.4 per cent were due to injecting drug use. You obviously need to start becoming familiar with such research, in order to avoid future embarrassment when people call your bluff.

And it is the big daddy of sex ed promoters, Planned Parenthood itself, which tells us that more sex ed courses simply compound the problems. They revealed in their own survey that teens who have taken &quot;comprehensive&quot; sex education courses have a fifty per cent higher rate of sexual activity than their &quot;unenlightened&quot; peers.   

It is hard to argue against such facts. Or do you want these various groups to just relax as well?

And given that two attack comments have arrived within an hour on an old post which has not been commented on in over six months, then yes, I certainly do suspect a conspiracy, if not of left wingers, then of pro-homosexual activists.

Bill Muehlenberg, CultureWatch</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Alec</p>
<p>I am quite relaxed actually. But perhaps it is you who is agitated, especially if you need to throw profanities around, given that your arguments are clearly not up to scratch.</p>
<p>Figures on homosexuality and HIV are of course readily available. For all your bluster, it is odd that you appear to be so ignorant of them. Why don’t you try the National Centre in HIV Social Research, the National Centre in HIV Epidemiology and Clinical Research, and the AIDS Council of New South Wales for starters? They will tell you the very same thing that I have just said in terms of percentages, prevalence rates, high-risk groups, and so on.</p>
<p>As but one (of many) stats, according to a recent <i>Australian HIV Surveillance Report</i>, 80.5 per cent of HIV cases in Australia were due to male homosexual/bisexual contact; 4.9 per cent were due to male homosexual/bisexual contact and drug use; and 3.4 per cent were due to injecting drug use. You obviously need to start becoming familiar with such research, in order to avoid future embarrassment when people call your bluff.</p>
<p>And it is the big daddy of sex ed promoters, Planned Parenthood itself, which tells us that more sex ed courses simply compound the problems. They revealed in their own survey that teens who have taken &#8220;comprehensive&#8221; sex education courses have a fifty per cent higher rate of sexual activity than their &#8220;unenlightened&#8221; peers.   </p>
<p>It is hard to argue against such facts. Or do you want these various groups to just relax as well?</p>
<p>And given that two attack comments have arrived within an hour on an old post which has not been commented on in over six months, then yes, I certainly do suspect a conspiracy, if not of left wingers, then of pro-homosexual activists.</p>
<p>Bill Muehlenberg, CultureWatch</p>
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		<title>By: John Detan</title>
		<link>http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2009/04/07/governments-sexualising-our-children/comment-page-1/#comment-157907</link>
		<dc:creator>John Detan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 05:48:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For HIV transmission to occur you need the virus to enter the bloodsteam in a high enough concentration to cause seroconversion. The risk for transmission is approximately the same for vaginal sex as it is for anal sex. 

The reason you observe a disproportionate representation of gay men with HIV in some countries is a direct result of them living for generations in a society which marginalised their feelings, emotions and sexual behaviour instead of being inclusive and encouraging them to form stable partnerships.

In Africa HIV is predominantly a straight virus where it affects one in four people. Most have acquired it through vaginal sex.

Condoms with water based lubricant are still the most affective way to prevent the spread of HIV. Condoms are effective no matter how many sexual partners you have.

The church had a good run on bossing every one around. Now it’s time to let science takeover.

I used to love church as a child until I grew up and witnessed the power games and ridiculous pettiness of these people with so called &quot;high morals&quot; for myself.

John Detan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For HIV transmission to occur you need the virus to enter the bloodsteam in a high enough concentration to cause seroconversion. The risk for transmission is approximately the same for vaginal sex as it is for anal sex. </p>
<p>The reason you observe a disproportionate representation of gay men with HIV in some countries is a direct result of them living for generations in a society which marginalised their feelings, emotions and sexual behaviour instead of being inclusive and encouraging them to form stable partnerships.</p>
<p>In Africa HIV is predominantly a straight virus where it affects one in four people. Most have acquired it through vaginal sex.</p>
<p>Condoms with water based lubricant are still the most affective way to prevent the spread of HIV. Condoms are effective no matter how many sexual partners you have.</p>
<p>The church had a good run on bossing every one around. Now it’s time to let science takeover.</p>
<p>I used to love church as a child until I grew up and witnessed the power games and ridiculous pettiness of these people with so called &#8220;high morals&#8221; for myself.</p>
<p>John Detan</p>
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		<title>By: Alec Sparks</title>
		<link>http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2009/04/07/governments-sexualising-our-children/comment-page-1/#comment-157902</link>
		<dc:creator>Alec Sparks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 04:44:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;HIV/AIDS in Australia is overwhelmingly transmitted by male homosexual activity, along with intravenous drug use. Heterosexuals have a very low chance indeed of contacting the disease. And since this site is quite happy to talk about homosexuality, it is disingenuous at best, and downright mischievous at worst, for these sexperts to deliberately mislead impressionable and vulnerable young people about this important information.&quot; 

Where exactly does this information come from? I&#039;m fairly certain you&#039;re not going to publish this comment anyway so I just thought I&#039;d question you on the information you use. Most people tend to be more academic when making damning arguments about our society. If you want to be productive, use statistics and verified sources rather than (for all you could know is nothing more than) propaganda. 

Furthermore opening up information about sex doesn&#039;t neccesarily encourage children to have sex or make them perverse even. Compare it to information on alcohol. Telling children that it&#039;s wrong without explaining what is so bad about it and then seeing a society that embraces, accepts and ignores alcohol abuse only leads to our children eventually going out and getting drunk. If we change our society to be more relaxed about consentual sex and accept it as a natural part of life, then our children are more likely to wait until they feel ready. Did you go out and have sex the second someone told you what you had to do? 

Before you dismiss this as &quot;left wing conspiracy,&quot; what exactly are you fighting against? Out society breeds concepts of immorality and damnation as soon as people who aren&#039;t comfortable with themselves incubate it. Just relax for christ&#039;s sake

Alec Sparks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;HIV/AIDS in Australia is overwhelmingly transmitted by male homosexual activity, along with intravenous drug use. Heterosexuals have a very low chance indeed of contacting the disease. And since this site is quite happy to talk about homosexuality, it is disingenuous at best, and downright mischievous at worst, for these sexperts to deliberately mislead impressionable and vulnerable young people about this important information.&#8221; </p>
<p>Where exactly does this information come from? I&#8217;m fairly certain you&#8217;re not going to publish this comment anyway so I just thought I&#8217;d question you on the information you use. Most people tend to be more academic when making damning arguments about our society. If you want to be productive, use statistics and verified sources rather than (for all you could know is nothing more than) propaganda. </p>
<p>Furthermore opening up information about sex doesn&#8217;t neccesarily encourage children to have sex or make them perverse even. Compare it to information on alcohol. Telling children that it&#8217;s wrong without explaining what is so bad about it and then seeing a society that embraces, accepts and ignores alcohol abuse only leads to our children eventually going out and getting drunk. If we change our society to be more relaxed about consentual sex and accept it as a natural part of life, then our children are more likely to wait until they feel ready. Did you go out and have sex the second someone told you what you had to do? </p>
<p>Before you dismiss this as &#8220;left wing conspiracy,&#8221; what exactly are you fighting against? Out society breeds concepts of immorality and damnation as soon as people who aren&#8217;t comfortable with themselves incubate it. Just relax for christ&#8217;s sake</p>
<p>Alec Sparks</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Rice</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Rice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Apr 2009 04:16:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder if we should be doing more than we are about this sort of thing? Are we keeping the creeping rot in our society regularly in front of those responsible for our laws and regulations. I speak with teachers who say they are powerless to do anything. But who is spawning this abuse and putting it on our children. Those who prepare teaching material must have departmental heads. Are we holding these bureaucrats to account? Is it a kind of game where the other side always wins and all we can do is utter words?
Peter Rice</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if we should be doing more than we are about this sort of thing? Are we keeping the creeping rot in our society regularly in front of those responsible for our laws and regulations. I speak with teachers who say they are powerless to do anything. But who is spawning this abuse and putting it on our children. Those who prepare teaching material must have departmental heads. Are we holding these bureaucrats to account? Is it a kind of game where the other side always wins and all we can do is utter words?<br />
Peter Rice</p>
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		<title>By: Mansel Rogerson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mansel Rogerson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2009 22:49:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David Skinner writes:
“They (teachers) are so rushed off their feet that they are only too happy to have some glossy freebies to hand out to the kids and thus save themselves the job of having to think up something for sex education.” 

Does anyone have any glossy bound copies of God’s sex education manuals: say, the books of Leviticus and Song of Songs? Perhaps it’s time to drop them off at your local school :-).

Mansel Rogerson</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David Skinner writes:<br />
“They (teachers) are so rushed off their feet that they are only too happy to have some glossy freebies to hand out to the kids and thus save themselves the job of having to think up something for sex education.” </p>
<p>Does anyone have any glossy bound copies of God’s sex education manuals: say, the books of Leviticus and Song of Songs? Perhaps it’s time to drop them off at your local school <img src='http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> .</p>
<p>Mansel Rogerson</p>
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		<title>By: Teresa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Teresa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2009 09:32:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s another one:

&quot;How does the sperm get to the egg?
Could a 12 year old girl make babies? 
One drop of semen can make a baby?

Choice of responses
Agree, Disagree, Don&#039;t know
So how does the sperm get to the egg? Answer: Agree&quot;

The creator of this website does not even have a sound grasp of English. How old, or more to the point, how young and stupid are you who created this website???

Teresa Binder</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s another one:</p>
<p>&#8220;How does the sperm get to the egg?<br />
Could a 12 year old girl make babies?<br />
One drop of semen can make a baby?</p>
<p>Choice of responses<br />
Agree, Disagree, Don&#8217;t know<br />
So how does the sperm get to the egg? Answer: Agree&#8221;</p>
<p>The creator of this website does not even have a sound grasp of English. How old, or more to the point, how young and stupid are you who created this website???</p>
<p>Teresa Binder</p>
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		<title>By: Teresa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Teresa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2009 09:27:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry David, hadn&#039;t read your post and realized we are on the same point!
Teresa Binder</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry David, hadn&#8217;t read your post and realized we are on the same point!<br />
Teresa Binder</p>
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		<title>By: david skinner</title>
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		<dc:creator>david skinner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2009 09:26:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David Cohan, Francis Schaeffer said somewhere that eventually we will all have to be wired up to a central computer recording our opinions on a host of issues. The consensus will rule, OK. Of course this consensus will be continually fluctuating so that what might be criminal one minute could change the next. In that case I would imagine we would have to be administered litte electric shocks whenever we were not conforming to the consensus of opinion. 

David Skinner, UK</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David Cohan, Francis Schaeffer said somewhere that eventually we will all have to be wired up to a central computer recording our opinions on a host of issues. The consensus will rule, OK. Of course this consensus will be continually fluctuating so that what might be criminal one minute could change the next. In that case I would imagine we would have to be administered litte electric shocks whenever we were not conforming to the consensus of opinion. </p>
<p>David Skinner, UK</p>
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