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		<title>By: Paul Mewhor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Mewhor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 13:21:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Our Lord JESUS said &quot;when I return will I find faith&quot;; this tells us that the body of genuine believers at the time of Christs return may not be that great. Although the church seems to be growing there is obviously a line between those of us who believe the Lord Jesus and His Word and those who believe that they can  invoke the name of the Lord along side their own views. These men and women, such as the &#039;Christian&#039; leader who considers it paranoia to speak against homosexuality and Rudd who used the name of Christ to win the Christian vote, are not true Christians but wolves in sheeps clothing. At that day, when Christ claims his own, these men and women will say Lord did we not say this or that in your name and He will say to them &quot;depart from me for I do not know you&quot;. Only by adhearing to the word of our Lord are we going to be counted as one of the faithful even if this means invoking the wrath of those who preach a feel good gospel. Remember also sitting on the fence is not an option as our Lord said &quot;if you deny me before men I will deny you before my Father&quot;.
Paul Mewhor</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Our Lord JESUS said &#8220;when I return will I find faith&#8221;; this tells us that the body of genuine believers at the time of Christs return may not be that great. Although the church seems to be growing there is obviously a line between those of us who believe the Lord Jesus and His Word and those who believe that they can  invoke the name of the Lord along side their own views. These men and women, such as the &#8216;Christian&#8217; leader who considers it paranoia to speak against homosexuality and Rudd who used the name of Christ to win the Christian vote, are not true Christians but wolves in sheeps clothing. At that day, when Christ claims his own, these men and women will say Lord did we not say this or that in your name and He will say to them &#8220;depart from me for I do not know you&#8221;. Only by adhearing to the word of our Lord are we going to be counted as one of the faithful even if this means invoking the wrath of those who preach a feel good gospel. Remember also sitting on the fence is not an option as our Lord said &#8220;if you deny me before men I will deny you before my Father&#8221;.<br />
Paul Mewhor</p>
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		<title>By: keith pellicaan</title>
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		<dc:creator>keith pellicaan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 00:21:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a typical contemporary response to many issues in our day, a result of thesis, antithesis and synthesis. The loss of any concept of absolute truth. People do not like moral absolutes; it is symptomatic of our culture and politicians of both parties are seeking to be in line with the majority of this thinking. Consensis is the absolute.

Even if people are not in favour of homosexuality they would never postulate any statements that counter that as an illegitimate activity. It is exactly the same for abortion - politions are also ducking and weaving over this issue for the same reason. We would however ban puppies having their tails removed.

Keith Pellicaan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a typical contemporary response to many issues in our day, a result of thesis, antithesis and synthesis. The loss of any concept of absolute truth. People do not like moral absolutes; it is symptomatic of our culture and politicians of both parties are seeking to be in line with the majority of this thinking. Consensis is the absolute.</p>
<p>Even if people are not in favour of homosexuality they would never postulate any statements that counter that as an illegitimate activity. It is exactly the same for abortion &#8211; politions are also ducking and weaving over this issue for the same reason. We would however ban puppies having their tails removed.</p>
<p>Keith Pellicaan</p>
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		<title>By: Anthony Connor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anthony Connor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 03:03:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bill: Thank you so much for your report about &quot;bi-polar Nicola&quot; and her actions against Warwick Marsh. I found out about this through &quot;Action&quot; the NCC Qld publication.

I will certainly be following up on this by writing to Ms Roxon and Mr Rudd. As you say, it&#039;s about time to rouse a sleeping church. Very few priests are brave enough to speak up on these matters.

Tony Connor, Tingalpa Qld.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill: Thank you so much for your report about &#8220;bi-polar Nicola&#8221; and her actions against Warwick Marsh. I found out about this through &#8220;Action&#8221; the NCC Qld publication.</p>
<p>I will certainly be following up on this by writing to Ms Roxon and Mr Rudd. As you say, it&#8217;s about time to rouse a sleeping church. Very few priests are brave enough to speak up on these matters.</p>
<p>Tony Connor, Tingalpa Qld.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Rabich</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Rabich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 09:58:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rod Swift might consider the following things:

1.  It is highly ironic for him to be talking about &quot;censorship&quot; when the event that precipitated this article is an excellent real-life example of muzzling a certain opinion regardless of facts.  It cost a man his job that he was eminently qualified to do, whereas Rod is whining about not getting a post up on a website (when what he writes is probably dubious in credibility, if what he has written before is any guide).  Please explain that one, Rod.

2. I don&#039;t &quot;follow&quot; Bill, neither does anybody else here, as far as I can tell.  I count myself first and foremost a follower of Jesus, and also want to be known as a lover of truth, even when it&#039;s not easy for me to hear.  (How about you, Rod?  What happens when you hear something that challenges your thinking and can&#039;t be easily dismissed?)  As Bill declares himself also to be a follower of Jesus and concerned about the proclamation of truth we have something in common.  And given the general lack of this kind of perspective in wider society, it&#039;s fair enough for me to gravitate towards a website like this.

I observe an ongoing pattern of behaviour from various dissenting posters here where they engage in guerilla tactics - drive-by postings, as it were.  I seem to remember some months ago I asked Rod a question which he never answered - something along the lines of whether he would he be OK with fining or jailing or restricting the activities of individuals or organizations that do not tow the line of the politically correct idea that homosexuality is genetic in causation?  I considered your non-answer informative, Rod, btw.  So how about tackling that now and the other questions above?

I&#039;m not holding my breath.  Obviously the shock of having to give their real name (and on the internet too - how odd!) and support their ideas with evidence and without abuse is too much to ask for some.

In any case, Bill doesn&#039;t need followers, even declaring myself a &#039;fan&#039; might not be good for his ego...  ;-)

Mark Rabich</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rod Swift might consider the following things:</p>
<p>1.  It is highly ironic for him to be talking about &#8220;censorship&#8221; when the event that precipitated this article is an excellent real-life example of muzzling a certain opinion regardless of facts.  It cost a man his job that he was eminently qualified to do, whereas Rod is whining about not getting a post up on a website (when what he writes is probably dubious in credibility, if what he has written before is any guide).  Please explain that one, Rod.</p>
<p>2. I don&#8217;t &#8220;follow&#8221; Bill, neither does anybody else here, as far as I can tell.  I count myself first and foremost a follower of Jesus, and also want to be known as a lover of truth, even when it&#8217;s not easy for me to hear.  (How about you, Rod?  What happens when you hear something that challenges your thinking and can&#8217;t be easily dismissed?)  As Bill declares himself also to be a follower of Jesus and concerned about the proclamation of truth we have something in common.  And given the general lack of this kind of perspective in wider society, it&#8217;s fair enough for me to gravitate towards a website like this.</p>
<p>I observe an ongoing pattern of behaviour from various dissenting posters here where they engage in guerilla tactics &#8211; drive-by postings, as it were.  I seem to remember some months ago I asked Rod a question which he never answered &#8211; something along the lines of whether he would he be OK with fining or jailing or restricting the activities of individuals or organizations that do not tow the line of the politically correct idea that homosexuality is genetic in causation?  I considered your non-answer informative, Rod, btw.  So how about tackling that now and the other questions above?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not holding my breath.  Obviously the shock of having to give their real name (and on the internet too &#8211; how odd!) and support their ideas with evidence and without abuse is too much to ask for some.</p>
<p>In any case, Bill doesn&#8217;t need followers, even declaring myself a &#8216;fan&#8217; might not be good for his ego&#8230;  <img src='http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Mark Rabich</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 20:49:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>2007 Make it Count - 9 August 2007 - John Howard and Kevin Rudd address Christian Leaders at the National Press Club: http://www.acl.org.au/national/browse.stw?article_id=16243 
Kevin Rudd appeared rather &quot;sheepish&quot; when questioned on issues relating to the definition of &quot;family&quot; - he may claim to be Christian, but he is a member of a party with a pro-homosexual agenda - If he can&#039;t stand up for what is right, he should not hold the office of prime minister.
Scott Easton</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>2007 Make it Count &#8211; 9 August 2007 &#8211; John Howard and Kevin Rudd address Christian Leaders at the National Press Club: <a href="http://www.acl.org.au/national/browse.stw?article_id=16243" rel="nofollow">www.acl.org.au/national/browse.stw?article_id=16243</a><br />
Kevin Rudd appeared rather &#8220;sheepish&#8221; when questioned on issues relating to the definition of &#8220;family&#8221; &#8211; he may claim to be Christian, but he is a member of a party with a pro-homosexual agenda &#8211; If he can&#8217;t stand up for what is right, he should not hold the office of prime minister.<br />
Scott Easton</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Muehlenberg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Muehlenberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 11:39:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Duane

You need to call your friend’s bluff. I have been documenting the tactics of the pink mafia for years now. For starters, have him look at the hundred-plus articles I have in my ‘Homosexuality’ section. Many of them document the rise in the number of people losing jobs, being sent to jail, being fined, etc, for daring to speak the truth about homosexuality. Indeed, whole books have now been written on all this. Thus I am afraid your friend is either ignorant, uniformed, or being deliberately deceptive.

Bill Muehlenberg, CultureWatch</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Duane</p>
<p>You need to call your friend’s bluff. I have been documenting the tactics of the pink mafia for years now. For starters, have him look at the hundred-plus articles I have in my ‘Homosexuality’ section. Many of them document the rise in the number of people losing jobs, being sent to jail, being fined, etc, for daring to speak the truth about homosexuality. Indeed, whole books have now been written on all this. Thus I am afraid your friend is either ignorant, uniformed, or being deliberately deceptive.</p>
<p>Bill Muehlenberg, CultureWatch</p>
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		<title>By: Duane Proud</title>
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		<dc:creator>Duane Proud</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 09:26:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sorry to put you on the spot Bill but my learned friend over at my blog thinks that it is a fanatical statement to say: &quot;Today someone who dares to speak the truth about homosexuality will lose his job. Tomorrow he will likely see prison, fines and other draconian penalties imposed.&quot;

He also says: &quot;The idea that any westernized country is going to start imposing gestapo-like tactics on those who speak out against homosexuality is just ludicrous. It’s a scare tactic designed to get you riled up, Duane….I hope you’re not buying it.&quot;

Any info you can help with is appreciated... Ta  :)

Duane Proud</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sorry to put you on the spot Bill but my learned friend over at my blog thinks that it is a fanatical statement to say: &#8220;Today someone who dares to speak the truth about homosexuality will lose his job. Tomorrow he will likely see prison, fines and other draconian penalties imposed.&#8221;</p>
<p>He also says: &#8220;The idea that any westernized country is going to start imposing gestapo-like tactics on those who speak out against homosexuality is just ludicrous. It’s a scare tactic designed to get you riled up, Duane….I hope you’re not buying it.&#8221;</p>
<p>Any info you can help with is appreciated&#8230; Ta  <img src='http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Duane Proud</p>
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		<title>By: Rhonda Knowling</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rhonda Knowling</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 23:51:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you Bill, for expressing your views so well.  I can back you up 100%.  I know Warwick Marsh and he would have been an excellent men&#039;s Health Ambassador.
Rhonda Knowling</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Bill, for expressing your views so well.  I can back you up 100%.  I know Warwick Marsh and he would have been an excellent men&#8217;s Health Ambassador.<br />
Rhonda Knowling</p>
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		<title>By: Craig Manners</title>
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		<dc:creator>Craig Manners</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 23:49:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would encourage you Bill to encourage Christians throughout Australia to wake up from their long slumber, to take their lamp-shades off their Chistrian light and start participating in our society. Christians need to join in the political process running as members of parliament and local councils on a grand scale, so we can re-take the lost ground.

These immoral lobby groups are very organised and they seem to have quietly and subversively gained control of our nations political and media sectors.

Things may well get worse before they get better, but they will never get better if we as Christians remain in our slumber, having abdicated the dominion required of us by God, to those who are anti-God.

Craig Manners</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would encourage you Bill to encourage Christians throughout Australia to wake up from their long slumber, to take their lamp-shades off their Chistrian light and start participating in our society. Christians need to join in the political process running as members of parliament and local councils on a grand scale, so we can re-take the lost ground.</p>
<p>These immoral lobby groups are very organised and they seem to have quietly and subversively gained control of our nations political and media sectors.</p>
<p>Things may well get worse before they get better, but they will never get better if we as Christians remain in our slumber, having abdicated the dominion required of us by God, to those who are anti-God.</p>
<p>Craig Manners</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Dowling</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen Dowling</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 10:22:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is not an issue about Kevin Rudd or John Howard.  This issue is about the spirit of Saul being in man elected to lead Australia.  When you like King Saul pick a course of action to appeal to men and not God, expect that you will face similar consequences to King Saul.  The nation will be ripped from you and you will go down in history as a tragically poor leader.  Mr Rudd you are on the highway to hell.
Stephen Dowling</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is not an issue about Kevin Rudd or John Howard.  This issue is about the spirit of Saul being in man elected to lead Australia.  When you like King Saul pick a course of action to appeal to men and not God, expect that you will face similar consequences to King Saul.  The nation will be ripped from you and you will go down in history as a tragically poor leader.  Mr Rudd you are on the highway to hell.<br />
Stephen Dowling</p>
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