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		<title>By: Ian Brearley</title>
		<link>http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2008/11/06/random-thoughts-on-the-election/comment-page-1/#comment-109664</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian Brearley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 20:46:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I remember Billy Graham&#039;s comment - &quot;If God does not judge America, He will have to apologise to Sodom and Gomorrah&quot;
I believe Obama is a part of His judgment, but I agree with Greg Brien, that &quot;bring it on&quot; basically with regard to these judgments, along with the financial meltdown. The Earth is the Lord&#039;s, and the fullness thereof. Some will cry out to Him in these new troubles, and the rest go to Hell - business as usual in other words. God bless all who call on Him!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remember Billy Graham&#8217;s comment &#8211; &#8220;If God does not judge America, He will have to apologise to Sodom and Gomorrah&#8221;<br />
I believe Obama is a part of His judgment, but I agree with Greg Brien, that &#8220;bring it on&#8221; basically with regard to these judgments, along with the financial meltdown. The Earth is the Lord&#8217;s, and the fullness thereof. Some will cry out to Him in these new troubles, and the rest go to Hell &#8211; business as usual in other words. God bless all who call on Him!<br />
Ian Brearley</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Rabich</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Rabich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 13:59:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James,

&quot;My German-born mother remembers growing up in an era with a population by and large having outrageously stupid beliefs and hopes in a politician as having all the answers.&quot;  She remembers quite a bit still about her childhood, including a parallel experience to &lt;i&gt;The Lion, Witch, &amp; the Wardrobe&lt;/i&gt; evacuation to a regional area when she was about 14.  I recently showed her the infamous YouTube clip (which I accurately represented by telling her it was not official) of the children singing their praises to Obama and she quietly chuckled and had one word after watching it through to the end.  &quot;Hitler.&quot;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTm5rp8r6fE&amp;feature=related

She didn&#039;t say much else - except to say she was flabbergasted and walked away shaking her head.  She hasn&#039;t bought any of Obama-hysteria and can&#039;t understand the adulation.  And she felt like an oppression had begun after the election result.  Who do you think I should listen to, Godwin or her?

btw, in other news, I could not believe that the media&#039;s attack on Palin has not cooled one iota, doing everything they can to smear her potential at 2012 from day one.
http://www.theage.com.au/world/insiders-spill-beans-on-sarah-palin-20081107-5jk0.html?page=-1

Shameless.  Along with a photo that&#039;s deliberately chosen to make her look stupid.  (whoah, she &lt;i&gt;shrugs&lt;/i&gt; - &lt;b&gt;must&lt;/b&gt; be stupid then)  Hey, if someone was to scrutinize my life over the last 2 months demanding perfection, would I not have some clangers?  And unlike Obama&#039;s, most of hers can be cured in seconds, whereas how do you cure disdain for life or racism or corruption so easily?

And let me ask this - if you were in a life or death situation, who would you rather have in your corner, Obama or Palin (knowing there might be negative ramifications for a political career for them)?  Think Trig.

One more video of concern.  I won&#039;t blame you if you can&#039;t make it to the end, because I couldn&#039;t even get close:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PDehlPWsdQ

...at least something to laugh at here:
http://www.spurgeon.org/images/pyromaniac/TeamPyro/e-s_069.jpg

Mark Rabich</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James,</p>
<p>&#8220;My German-born mother remembers growing up in an era with a population by and large having outrageously stupid beliefs and hopes in a politician as having all the answers.&#8221;  She remembers quite a bit still about her childhood, including a parallel experience to <i>The Lion, Witch, &amp; the Wardrobe</i> evacuation to a regional area when she was about 14.  I recently showed her the infamous YouTube clip (which I accurately represented by telling her it was not official) of the children singing their praises to Obama and she quietly chuckled and had one word after watching it through to the end.  &#8220;Hitler.&#8221;<br />
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTm5rp8r6fE&#038;feature=related" rel="nofollow">www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTm5rp8r6fE&#038;feature=related</a></p>
<p>She didn&#8217;t say much else &#8211; except to say she was flabbergasted and walked away shaking her head.  She hasn&#8217;t bought any of Obama-hysteria and can&#8217;t understand the adulation.  And she felt like an oppression had begun after the election result.  Who do you think I should listen to, Godwin or her?</p>
<p>btw, in other news, I could not believe that the media&#8217;s attack on Palin has not cooled one iota, doing everything they can to smear her potential at 2012 from day one.<br />
<a href="http://www.theage.com.au/world/insiders-spill-beans-on-sarah-palin-20081107-5jk0.html?page=-1" rel="nofollow">www.theage.com.au/world/insiders-spill-beans-on-sarah-palin-20081107-5jk0.html?page=-1</a></p>
<p>Shameless.  Along with a photo that&#8217;s deliberately chosen to make her look stupid.  (whoah, she <i>shrugs</i> &#8211; <b>must</b> be stupid then)  Hey, if someone was to scrutinize my life over the last 2 months demanding perfection, would I not have some clangers?  And unlike Obama&#8217;s, most of hers can be cured in seconds, whereas how do you cure disdain for life or racism or corruption so easily?</p>
<p>And let me ask this &#8211; if you were in a life or death situation, who would you rather have in your corner, Obama or Palin (knowing there might be negative ramifications for a political career for them)?  Think Trig.</p>
<p>One more video of concern.  I won&#8217;t blame you if you can&#8217;t make it to the end, because I couldn&#8217;t even get close:<br />
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PDehlPWsdQ" rel="nofollow">www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PDehlPWsdQ</a></p>
<p>&#8230;at least something to laugh at here:<br />
<a href="http://www.spurgeon.org/images/pyromaniac/TeamPyro/e-s_069.jpg" rel="nofollow">www.spurgeon.org/images/pyromaniac/TeamPyro/e-s_069.jpg</a></p>
<p>Mark Rabich</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Muehlenberg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Muehlenberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 11:21:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Michael

Actually no one is - or has been - claiming that McCain is an evangelical Christian. As far as I am aware, he is not. (Of the four who were running, only one was - and is – Sarah Palin.) But that is not the real issue. The issue is one major party (the Democrats) who have as part of their platform abortion on demand and special rights for homosexuals, among other things, and another party (the Republicans) who do not. In my estimation, one party is closer on a number of issues to biblical Christianity than is the other.

As to abortion and war, I have already noted that the Bible distinguishes between legitimate and illegitimate killing. Abortion is always murder and is always wrong. Some wars however can be regarded as just wars. God himself ordered Israel to engage in various wars. So war in not always evil and sinful in itself, as abortion is.

I do however agree that we need to pray for Obama. Pray that he in fact becomes – if he is not already (but I don’t see much evidence for this) - a born-again Christian, and pray that he drops his many radical policies which will bring so much damage and harm to America and the rest of the world.

Bill Muehlenberg, CultureWatch</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Michael</p>
<p>Actually no one is &#8211; or has been &#8211; claiming that McCain is an evangelical Christian. As far as I am aware, he is not. (Of the four who were running, only one was &#8211; and is – Sarah Palin.) But that is not the real issue. The issue is one major party (the Democrats) who have as part of their platform abortion on demand and special rights for homosexuals, among other things, and another party (the Republicans) who do not. In my estimation, one party is closer on a number of issues to biblical Christianity than is the other.</p>
<p>As to abortion and war, I have already noted that the Bible distinguishes between legitimate and illegitimate killing. Abortion is always murder and is always wrong. Some wars however can be regarded as just wars. God himself ordered Israel to engage in various wars. So war in not always evil and sinful in itself, as abortion is.</p>
<p>I do however agree that we need to pray for Obama. Pray that he in fact becomes – if he is not already (but I don’t see much evidence for this) &#8211; a born-again Christian, and pray that he drops his many radical policies which will bring so much damage and harm to America and the rest of the world.</p>
<p>Bill Muehlenberg, CultureWatch</p>
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		<title>By: Frank Bellet</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank Bellet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 08:19:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I support Jennifer&#039;s comments concerning President elect B.O.&#039;s (I prefer those initials) attitude to defenceless babies, who survive an abortion, and in B.O.&#039;s opinion should be left to die. However the number of times B.O. voted in favour of that horrendous crime against society was 6 times, rather than the also horrific 4 times. Hussein&#039;s claim that he&#039;ll change America, I do not consider as a promise, but rather as a threat.
Frank Bellet, Petrie Qld</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I support Jennifer&#8217;s comments concerning President elect B.O.&#8217;s (I prefer those initials) attitude to defenceless babies, who survive an abortion, and in B.O.&#8217;s opinion should be left to die. However the number of times B.O. voted in favour of that horrendous crime against society was 6 times, rather than the also horrific 4 times. Hussein&#8217;s claim that he&#8217;ll change America, I do not consider as a promise, but rather as a threat.<br />
Frank Bellet, Petrie Qld</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Ntanu</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Ntanu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 08:01:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Bill
I do doubt the Christian genuineness of Obama. I equally however refute MacCains&#039;s evangelical character. Obama may have given thumbs up for abortion but MacCain is bent on fighting in Iraq, a war which has so far claimed 1000s of lives. Neither of them could be justified before God on the basis of the policies they intend pursuing. Let&#039;s not be too hash on the youngman but do our Christian duty by praying for him.
Michael Ntanu</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Bill<br />
I do doubt the Christian genuineness of Obama. I equally however refute MacCains&#8217;s evangelical character. Obama may have given thumbs up for abortion but MacCain is bent on fighting in Iraq, a war which has so far claimed 1000s of lives. Neither of them could be justified before God on the basis of the policies they intend pursuing. Let&#8217;s not be too hash on the youngman but do our Christian duty by praying for him.<br />
Michael Ntanu</p>
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		<title>By: Roger Marks</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roger Marks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 04:57:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BHO said &quot;I don&#039;t believe in same sex marriage but I do believe that they have the right to get married.&quot;

I wonder if he doesn&#039;t believe in rape but believes that rapists should have the right to rape.

Roger Marks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BHO said &#8220;I don&#8217;t believe in same sex marriage but I do believe that they have the right to get married.&#8221;</p>
<p>I wonder if he doesn&#8217;t believe in rape but believes that rapists should have the right to rape.</p>
<p>Roger Marks</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Muehlenberg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Muehlenberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 04:35:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks James

I am not sure the point needs to be belaboured much further. I did not say we are living in identical climates. I simply noted that the rise of a Hitler-like figure is by no means impossible, given similar circumstances.

And hey, your humble pad at least has the means to watch Fox, which is more than my humble pad has.

Bill Muehlenberg, CultureWatch</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks James</p>
<p>I am not sure the point needs to be belaboured much further. I did not say we are living in identical climates. I simply noted that the rise of a Hitler-like figure is by no means impossible, given similar circumstances.</p>
<p>And hey, your humble pad at least has the means to watch Fox, which is more than my humble pad has.</p>
<p>Bill Muehlenberg, CultureWatch</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Brien</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg Brien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 04:09:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Bill, 

Great to see you tackling the big issue of the day. You may be surprised but I am quite excited about the election of BHO. I think he will be disastrous for the US and the rest of the world. But this will show us the greatness of God, His justice, mercy and compassion, something this world needs to know. We will see lots of humility if even from a small minority. We may even see again the world turned upside down, and of the Christians it being said, &quot;See how they love oneanother&quot;.
Greg Brien</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Bill, </p>
<p>Great to see you tackling the big issue of the day. You may be surprised but I am quite excited about the election of BHO. I think he will be disastrous for the US and the rest of the world. But this will show us the greatness of God, His justice, mercy and compassion, something this world needs to know. We will see lots of humility if even from a small minority. We may even see again the world turned upside down, and of the Christians it being said, &#8220;See how they love oneanother&#8221;.<br />
Greg Brien</p>
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		<title>By: James Beattie</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Beattie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 03:53:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Bill,

I am having trouble discerning any connection whatsoever between current events and the rise of Nazism. I&#039;m not being obtuse, I think the comparison is a little clumsy.

What are the points of comparison that you see?

Cheers,

James Beattie

P.S You&#039;d be disappointed in my wealthy pad, it looks suspiciously like a rented family home in the burbs...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Bill,</p>
<p>I am having trouble discerning any connection whatsoever between current events and the rise of Nazism. I&#8217;m not being obtuse, I think the comparison is a little clumsy.</p>
<p>What are the points of comparison that you see?</p>
<p>Cheers,</p>
<p>James Beattie</p>
<p>P.S You&#8217;d be disappointed in my wealthy pad, it looks suspiciously like a rented family home in the burbs&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Frank Bellet</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank Bellet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 03:40:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have had a much more than casual interest in American politics, since I was very young. I receive about 20 e-mails per day from some the the best informed political commentators in America, with background information. The article here by Bill Muehlenberg is one of the best and definitely the most accurate I have read in Australia. Also an interesting check on the exit polls in California on the Same Sex &quot;Marriage&quot; issue is that despite the outcome of electing a black president, the majority of blacks did not support the idea of same sex &quot;Marriage&quot;
Frank Bellet, Petrie Qld.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have had a much more than casual interest in American politics, since I was very young. I receive about 20 e-mails per day from some the the best informed political commentators in America, with background information. The article here by Bill Muehlenberg is one of the best and definitely the most accurate I have read in Australia. Also an interesting check on the exit polls in California on the Same Sex &#8220;Marriage&#8221; issue is that despite the outcome of electing a black president, the majority of blacks did not support the idea of same sex &#8220;Marriage&#8221;<br />
Frank Bellet, Petrie Qld.</p>
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