Comments on: Should Christians Support Obama?

By: Esther

Esther — Tue, 28 Apr 2009 09:45:34 +0000

I enjoyed reading this article Bill. One thing is that although abortion is not mentioned in the bible there many teachings on the subject.
As Christians we should know that destroying the life of a child is profoundly wrong. We are taught that we should love each other therefore abortion is death and does not come into the equation . We read in John 10:10 that Christ conquered death therefore he also conquered abortion.
As Christians we are supposed to support God so how can Christians support abortion? By doing this surely we fall into the same category as the people of old in the bible. God condemns the killing of children as told through the prophets.
From the moment of conception there is a child, a life that deserves the chance to experience life.
When a child within the womb is deliberately destroyed it is so profoundly wrong, how can a person not feel guilty? Why shouldn’t they face the charge of murder the same as any other person who destroys the life of another.
I guess the question remains as to how much one values life and how sacred is life to a person! Children are a gift from God (Gen 1:28) therefore as being a heritage from the Lord a child is a reward as a fruit from the womb (Ps127:3).
Having a relationship with God allows us to recognise that an unborn child has the same identity as a child that has been born.
If Obama is the “Christian” that he professes to be then surely he would realise that overturning this law makes him as guilty of murder as those who destroy the life of the unborn child.
Esther Smith

By: yarber

yarber — Sat, 17 Jan 2009 06:30:47 +0000

I find it difficult for Christians to support Obama because his beliefs are contrary. He is not for personal accountability he is promoting socialism. Socialism is not each person taking account of their own individual actions. I am confused as to how his acceptance of abortion is in the main stream of Christian thought. According to the bible homosexuality is a sin. His acceptance of this same sex marriage is not in accordance with the bible. I am completely flabbergasted as to how Christians defend their support of someone who does not hold or even practice many of our beliefs.
Peggy Sue Yarber, California

By: Jonathan Sarfati

Jonathan Sarfati — Thu, 13 Nov 2008 05:46:01 +0000

Rev. Dr Peter Barnes, minister of Revesby Presbyterian Church, Sydney, has an excellent article, “Are all sins equal”, New Life p. 22, 13 Nov 2008. He argues that the affirmative answer is Stoic, then demonstrates biblical support for the negative.
Jonathan Sarfati, Brisbane

By: Roger Marks

Roger Marks — Sun, 09 Nov 2008 23:25:22 +0000

Mipam asks “Why are these deaths, which can be prevented, not morally abhorrent to a society that claims to be founded on the sanctity of life?”

This shows the morally abhorrent view of atheists who obviously believe they have the right to decide who should live and who should die.

If death by lack of health care is morally abhorrent, death by lack of money should be morally abhorrent. If athists kill their babies because they can’t afford the cost of raising a child, why don’t they insist that the government provide universal welfare payments so that a woman need not have their baby killed because of lack of money?

Roger Marks

By: Bill Muehlenberg

Bill Muehlenberg — Sat, 08 Nov 2008 00:41:29 +0000

Thanks Mipam

But who exactly is withholding medicine from dying people? Throwing out reckless and baseless charges of course does not make an argument. Perhaps you have been watching too many Michael Moore docos. You really will have to do better than that I am afraid.

Bill Muehlenberg, CultureWatch

By: Mipam Thurman

Mipam Thurman — Fri, 07 Nov 2008 22:29:42 +0000

So needing medicine that you will die without is not a “right to life” issue for you? If you do not treat a condition like lime disease, you will die, and painfully so. Why are these deaths, which can be prevented, not morally abhorrent to a society that claims to be founded on the sanctity of life?
Mipam Thurman

By: John Angelico

John Angelico — Fri, 07 Nov 2008 11:00:17 +0000

Mipam said:

“But he is right about universal healthcare. How can any Christian stand the fact that people who need healthcare, and who cannot afford it, are suffering, and in many cases, are dying because they cannot get the treatment they need to live?”

Why do you say this? You are presenting only an emotional argument based on suffering and dying. The impact of the curse is such that we will all die of something or other one day, and this will continue until Jesus returns.

You claim that life-giving (ie. emergency) treatment is being denied because of a lack of universal (government-funded?) health care.

The hyperbole is a sign of weak argument, as it is not supported by any serious statistics. Bill has already refuted your general point, so I will confine myself to refuting your use of emotional argument.

Please substantiate your points, or save your typing fingers.

John Angelico

By: Ewan

Ewan — Fri, 07 Nov 2008 04:45:16 +0000

Mipam conveniently forgets that what should be measured here is not whether a nation has a socialist health system, but what is the average life expectancy of that nation’s citizens? I dare say, without even knowing these figures, that the USA is doing pretty well by that measure.

It is simply absurd, as Bill points out, to compare the crime of abortion to some alleged crime of not providing socialist health care. This is yet another example of an attempted moral equivalency the left and professing Christian Obama supporters keep making, and quite frankly, I’m growing very tired of it.

Ewan McDonald.

By: Bill Muehlenberg

Bill Muehlenberg — Fri, 07 Nov 2008 00:58:50 +0000

Thanks Mipam

Two things. You – and the left – are simply wrong on the numbers of those without health care in the US, and the majority of these people are those in between jobs. So the numbers fluctuate greatly and are usually temporary. And the actual figures are far lower than the typical leftist figures.

Second, if Obana wants to move full steam ahead with abortion, then in one sense it really does not matter. Dead people do not need good health care, or anything else for that matter. The right to life is fundamental, and far weightier a matter than socialised health care, or any other benefit which only living people can utilise.

Bill Muehlenberg, CultureWatch

By: Mip

Mip — Wed, 05 Nov 2008 22:56:55 +0000

Yes Obama is wrong on abortion. But he is right about universal healthcare. How can any Christian stand the fact that people who need healthcare, and who cannot afford it, are suffering, and in many cases, are dying because they cannot get the treatment they need to live? So apparently people who identify themselves as “right wing christians” are just fine with 47 million Americans not having any kind of healthcare? You can say that you believe these 47 million people should have healthcare, but none of your right wing politicians seem to agree with you on this point. So why are you voting for them?
Mipam Thurman