Comments on: When “Art” Covers a Multitude of Sins http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2008/10/06/when-%e2%80%9cart%e2%80%9d-covers-a-multitude-of-sins/ Bill Muehlenberg's commentary on issues of the day... Sat, 11 Feb 2012 12:39:50 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Sara Freeman http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2008/10/06/when-%e2%80%9cart%e2%80%9d-covers-a-multitude-of-sins/comment-page-1/#comment-165318 Sara Freeman Tue, 15 Dec 2009 12:19:36 +0000 http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2008/10/06/when-%e2%80%9cart%e2%80%9d-covers-a-multitude-of-sins/#comment-165318 Bill, you are absolutely right. As an artist myself I am appalled by what people are making... "in the name of art". I took a school that taught me truly how to use my art, to glorify my maker, God. All art displays a world view, and in Bill Hensons case he is exploiting young children. These children need protection, and as a Christian it is important that we stand up for what is true and righteous now, before it gets worse. Thank you for making a commitment to standing up, and voicing out truth. Sara Freeman Bill, you are absolutely right.

As an artist myself I am appalled by what people are making… “in the name of art”. I took a school that taught me truly how to use my art, to glorify my maker, God. All art displays a world view, and in Bill Hensons case he is exploiting young children. These children need protection, and as a Christian it is important that we stand up for what is true and righteous now, before it gets worse. Thank you for making a commitment to standing up, and voicing out truth.

Sara Freeman

]]> By: John FG McMahon http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2008/10/06/when-%e2%80%9cart%e2%80%9d-covers-a-multitude-of-sins/comment-page-1/#comment-104660 John FG McMahon Wed, 08 Oct 2008 22:21:44 +0000 http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2008/10/06/when-%e2%80%9cart%e2%80%9d-covers-a-multitude-of-sins/#comment-104660 Bill, well said and keep up the good fight. John McMahon Bill, well said and keep up the good fight.

John McMahon

]]> By: david skinner http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2008/10/06/when-%e2%80%9cart%e2%80%9d-covers-a-multitude-of-sins/comment-page-1/#comment-104549 david skinner Wed, 08 Oct 2008 04:55:40 +0000 http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2008/10/06/when-%e2%80%9cart%e2%80%9d-covers-a-multitude-of-sins/#comment-104549 Christians are told that they cannot hide behind their religion when making negative comments about how we should conduct sexual behaviour. but it is OK for Sir Elton John to hide behind artistic expression when putting on a performance at the Royal Albert Hall that is blatantly paedophile in its implications: http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4158/is_19991201/ai_n14271097 However it is not just art that the promiscuous and predatory hide behind; it is education itself. Our children are being groomed on a massive scale because parents unthinkingly still believe that schools will exercise a duty of care with their children, when in fact education and schools are becoming the first entry point for secularism and moral anarchy: http://www.christian.org.uk/news/20081001/teen-sex-show-on-weekday-mornings/ What happens when you combine an artistic and educational smoke screen, coming to a school near you? http://www.telegraph.co.uk:80/news/newstopics/celebritynews/3068490/Sir-Ian-McKellen-takes-gay-tolerance-message-to-schools.html David Skinner, UK Christians are told that they cannot hide behind their religion when making negative comments about how we should conduct sexual behaviour. but it is OK for Sir Elton John to hide behind artistic expression when putting on a performance at the Royal Albert Hall that is blatantly paedophile in its implications: findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4158/is_19991201/ai_n14271097

However it is not just art that the promiscuous and predatory hide behind; it is education itself. Our children are being groomed on a massive scale because parents unthinkingly still believe that schools will exercise a duty of care with their children, when in fact education and schools are becoming the first entry point for secularism and moral anarchy:
www.christian.org.uk/news/20081001/teen-sex-show-on-weekday-mornings/

What happens when you combine an artistic and educational smoke screen, coming to a school near you?
www.telegraph.co.uk:80/news/newstopics/celebritynews/3068490/Sir-Ian-McKellen-takes-gay-tolerance-message-to-schools.html

David Skinner, UK

]]> By: Jim Sturla http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2008/10/06/when-%e2%80%9cart%e2%80%9d-covers-a-multitude-of-sins/comment-page-1/#comment-104515 Jim Sturla Wed, 08 Oct 2008 01:00:42 +0000 http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2008/10/06/when-%e2%80%9cart%e2%80%9d-covers-a-multitude-of-sins/#comment-104515 Does this mean that the parents now have no rights as to the upbringing or safety of their children? This may sound simplistic but there seems to be a growing attitude in our society that parents are not capable (but are answerable) for the raising of their offspring and that all methods are placed in the hands of the PC. Jim Sturla Does this mean that the parents now have no rights as to the upbringing or safety of their children? This may sound simplistic but there seems to be a growing attitude in our society that parents are not capable (but are answerable) for the raising of their offspring and that all methods are placed in the hands of the PC.
Jim Sturla

]]> By: Andrew Campbell http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2008/10/06/when-%e2%80%9cart%e2%80%9d-covers-a-multitude-of-sins/comment-page-1/#comment-104407 Andrew Campbell Tue, 07 Oct 2008 10:49:16 +0000 http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2008/10/06/when-%e2%80%9cart%e2%80%9d-covers-a-multitude-of-sins/#comment-104407 I'm glad that from Kevin Rudd down, and from the moment the issue was first raised, most of our politicians have dared to say it like it is, as Kevin said, 'absolutely revolting.' Perhaps there's hope for Australia yet. Andrew Campbell I’m glad that from Kevin Rudd down, and from the moment the issue was first raised, most of our politicians have dared to say it like it is, as Kevin said, ‘absolutely revolting.’ Perhaps there’s hope for Australia yet.
Andrew Campbell

]]> By: Garth Penglase http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2008/10/06/when-%e2%80%9cart%e2%80%9d-covers-a-multitude-of-sins/comment-page-1/#comment-104358 Garth Penglase Tue, 07 Oct 2008 03:37:27 +0000 http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2008/10/06/when-%e2%80%9cart%e2%80%9d-covers-a-multitude-of-sins/#comment-104358 Why is that a melodramatic statement, Stephen? Many, if not all, of the conditions for the fall of Western Civilisation are in place or soon will be in place - financial, social, spiritual, cultural and military. It may not be all western countries, and it may not be the way people expect it but all civilisations rise and fall and this one is definitely suffering a serious internal disease. It's demise, as history shows, should come more from within than without. The world is changing and rapidly so. I don't think it is a suprise statement to say that we are entering a period of massive upheaval, and it would be wise for Christians to realise that they will not be safe during this time - we may as well start fighting now while we still have many who agree with us, because if we wait until too late then we will again be marginalised and on our own. Garth Penglase Why is that a melodramatic statement, Stephen? Many, if not all, of the conditions for the fall of Western Civilisation are in place or soon will be in place – financial, social, spiritual, cultural and military. It may not be all western countries, and it may not be the way people expect it but all civilisations rise and fall and this one is definitely suffering a serious internal disease. It’s demise, as history shows, should come more from within than without.

The world is changing and rapidly so. I don’t think it is a suprise statement to say that we are entering a period of massive upheaval, and it would be wise for Christians to realise that they will not be safe during this time – we may as well start fighting now while we still have many who agree with us, because if we wait until too late then we will again be marginalised and on our own.

Garth Penglase

]]> By: Stephen Frost http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2008/10/06/when-%e2%80%9cart%e2%80%9d-covers-a-multitude-of-sins/comment-page-1/#comment-104308 Stephen Frost Mon, 06 Oct 2008 21:46:16 +0000 http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2008/10/06/when-%e2%80%9cart%e2%80%9d-covers-a-multitude-of-sins/#comment-104308 My old boss used to say "When a society loses the courage to fight those elements which seek to undermine it, that society is doomed". I sometimes wonder if we're witnessing the early stages of the fall of Western civilisation. Yes, perhaps that is meoldramatic. Still ... we murder our children in the womb, we abuse children and call it art ... if "the children are the future", as one songwriter put it, then our future is at the very least clouded. -- Stephen Frost, Melbourne My old boss used to say “When a society loses the courage to fight those elements which seek to undermine it, that society is doomed”. I sometimes wonder if we’re witnessing the early stages of the fall of Western civilisation. Yes, perhaps that is meoldramatic. Still … we murder our children in the womb, we abuse children and call it art … if “the children are the future”, as one songwriter put it, then our future is at the very least clouded.

– Stephen Frost, Melbourne

]]> By: Stephen Frost http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2008/10/06/when-%e2%80%9cart%e2%80%9d-covers-a-multitude-of-sins/comment-page-1/#comment-104307 Stephen Frost Mon, 06 Oct 2008 21:41:38 +0000 http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2008/10/06/when-%e2%80%9cart%e2%80%9d-covers-a-multitude-of-sins/#comment-104307 Craven by name, craven by nature? -- Stephen Frost, Melbourne Craven by name, craven by nature?

– Stephen Frost, Melbourne

]]> By: John Angelico http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2008/10/06/when-%e2%80%9cart%e2%80%9d-covers-a-multitude-of-sins/comment-page-1/#comment-104229 John Angelico Mon, 06 Oct 2008 10:14:08 +0000 http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2008/10/06/when-%e2%80%9cart%e2%80%9d-covers-a-multitude-of-sins/#comment-104229 Unfortunately Dale, these supposed beacons of moral guidance (Craven and Henson) would argue that such absolutes as we propose to protect our children are <i> precisely</i> what they have come to challenge. A bit like the old childish chant: "What's yours is mine and what's mine is my own". John Angelico Unfortunately Dale, these supposed beacons of moral guidance (Craven and Henson) would argue that such absolutes as we propose to protect our children are precisely what they have come to challenge.

A bit like the old childish chant: “What’s yours is mine and what’s mine is my own”.

John Angelico

]]> By: Dale Bates http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2008/10/06/when-%e2%80%9cart%e2%80%9d-covers-a-multitude-of-sins/comment-page-1/#comment-104208 Dale Bates Mon, 06 Oct 2008 07:25:10 +0000 http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2008/10/06/when-%e2%80%9cart%e2%80%9d-covers-a-multitude-of-sins/#comment-104208 Regardless of differing views on the matter, you could use a simple chain of logic in dealing with an issue such as this. A. Are children precious? Yes. B. As a result, should we pretect them from any and all harm, as well as we can? Yes. C. Does being photographed naked help the child's developement? If the answer is no, then perhaps, before delving into motives and the claim of 'artistic merit', we should simply stop and simply state that it is not in the best interest of the child. End of story. Dale Bates Regardless of differing views on the matter, you could use a simple chain of logic in dealing with an issue such as this.

A. Are children precious? Yes.
B. As a result, should we pretect them from any and all harm, as well as we can? Yes.
C. Does being photographed naked help the child’s developement?

If the answer is no, then perhaps, before delving into motives and the claim of ‘artistic merit’, we should simply stop and simply state that it is not in the best interest of the child. End of story.

Dale Bates

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