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		<title>By: Monique Fagon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Monique Fagon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 20:52:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I totally agree with your view on the issue at hand, you see as a christian and as a law student i believe that it is unlawful for another person to decide who lives and who doesn&#039;t, The Bible states that we should be fruitful and multiply who are we to destroy when God has given us this chance to multiply. The Lord bless!

Mlonique Fagon, Jamaica W.I.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I totally agree with your view on the issue at hand, you see as a christian and as a law student i believe that it is unlawful for another person to decide who lives and who doesn&#8217;t, The Bible states that we should be fruitful and multiply who are we to destroy when God has given us this chance to multiply. The Lord bless!</p>
<p>Mlonique Fagon, Jamaica W.I.</p>
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		<title>By: Joshua Ferrara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joshua Ferrara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 07:54:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am still weeping over this new bill.

Abortion is at odds with the theory of Evolution. If evolution is true then the evolution of the human race is dependant upon evolved genes being expressed in each generation. If more and more generations are unable to mature to full sexual maturity - evolution is hindered.

Abortion is at odds with environmentalism. If the evironmentalists say that it is the unnatural intervention of man that is the cause of the demise of the plannet, then introducing metal surgical sissors to carve up an unborn fetus definatly fits that description.

Abortion is at odds with vegitarianism. If vegitarians say that they refuse to eat meat on the grownds that it is the unnessesary killing on animals for human taste pleasure. Abortion is the elimination of the natural process starting with intercourse and ending with the birth of a human being.

Abortion is at odds with all Theistic religions, Bhuddism and other religions.

The only worldview where abortion fits the model, is in socialism where the health of the collective superseeds the rights of the individual. This world view also leads to Euthanasia, ethnic and religious cleansing and could be better known as the worldview of the Nazi party in Germany.

I&#039;m deadly serious (no pun intended)

Joshua Ferrara</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am still weeping over this new bill.</p>
<p>Abortion is at odds with the theory of Evolution. If evolution is true then the evolution of the human race is dependant upon evolved genes being expressed in each generation. If more and more generations are unable to mature to full sexual maturity &#8211; evolution is hindered.</p>
<p>Abortion is at odds with environmentalism. If the evironmentalists say that it is the unnatural intervention of man that is the cause of the demise of the plannet, then introducing metal surgical sissors to carve up an unborn fetus definatly fits that description.</p>
<p>Abortion is at odds with vegitarianism. If vegitarians say that they refuse to eat meat on the grownds that it is the unnessesary killing on animals for human taste pleasure. Abortion is the elimination of the natural process starting with intercourse and ending with the birth of a human being.</p>
<p>Abortion is at odds with all Theistic religions, Bhuddism and other religions.</p>
<p>The only worldview where abortion fits the model, is in socialism where the health of the collective superseeds the rights of the individual. This world view also leads to Euthanasia, ethnic and religious cleansing and could be better known as the worldview of the Nazi party in Germany.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m deadly serious (no pun intended)</p>
<p>Joshua Ferrara</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Muehlenberg</title>
		<link>http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2008/08/19/abortion-and-hard-cases/comment-page-1/#comment-96348</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Muehlenberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 12:34:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Jennifer

Both is the answer. The rapist is often infertile, and the rape victim often is unbale to conceive because of the trauma. And thanks for Rebecca’s moving story.

Bill Muehlenberg, CultureWatch</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Jennifer</p>
<p>Both is the answer. The rapist is often infertile, and the rape victim often is unbale to conceive because of the trauma. And thanks for Rebecca’s moving story.</p>
<p>Bill Muehlenberg, CultureWatch</p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer Parfenovics</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jennifer Parfenovics</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 12:19:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bill, in your article I don&#039;t understand the reference to the infertile rapist. Do your mean the rape victim being infertile most of the time?

Stunningly beautiful Rebecca Kiessling was concieved as the result of a brutal rape at knife point. Her web site is here: http://www.rebeccakiessling.com/Othersconceivedinrape.html 
Note that even in the horrific case of rape (which two evolutionists claimed is in our genes so rapists are not responsible, and wrote a book about it), there is no justification for capital punishment for the child of the rapist. See &quot;Conceived by Rape&quot; for examples of people — such as Rebecca Kiessling, a family law attorney — happy that they weren’t executed for their father’s crime. 

In Rebecca Kiessling &#039;s words: &quot;I was adopted nearly from birth. At 18, I learned that I was conceived out of a brutal rape at knife-point by a serial rapist. Like most people, I&#039;d never considered that abortion applied to my life, but once I received this information, all of a sudden I realized that, not only does it apply to my life, but it has to do with my very existence. It was as if I could hear the echoes of all those people
who, with the most sympathetic of tones, would say, &#039;Well, except in cases of rape. . .  ,&#039; or who would rather fervently exclaim in disgust: &#039;Especially is cases of rape!!!&#039; All these people are out there who don’t even know me, but are standing in judgment of my life, so quick to dismiss it just because of how I was conceived.  I felt like I was now going to have to justify my own existence, that I would have to prove myself to the world that I shouldn’t have been aborted and that I was worthy of living.  I also remember feeling like garbage because of people who would say that my life was like garbage -- that I was disposable.&quot;

Jennifer Parfenovics</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill, in your article I don&#8217;t understand the reference to the infertile rapist. Do your mean the rape victim being infertile most of the time?</p>
<p>Stunningly beautiful Rebecca Kiessling was concieved as the result of a brutal rape at knife point. Her web site is here: <a href="http://www.rebeccakiessling.com/Othersconceivedinrape.html" title="http://www.rebeccakiessling.com/Othersconceivedinrape.html" class="autohyperlink" target="_blank">http://www.rebeccakiessling.com/Othersconceivedinrape.html</a><br />
Note that even in the horrific case of rape (which two evolutionists claimed is in our genes so rapists are not responsible, and wrote a book about it), there is no justification for capital punishment for the child of the rapist. See &#8220;Conceived by Rape&#8221; for examples of people — such as Rebecca Kiessling, a family law attorney — happy that they weren’t executed for their father’s crime. </p>
<p>In Rebecca Kiessling &#8217;s words: &#8220;I was adopted nearly from birth. At 18, I learned that I was conceived out of a brutal rape at knife-point by a serial rapist. Like most people, I&#8217;d never considered that abortion applied to my life, but once I received this information, all of a sudden I realized that, not only does it apply to my life, but it has to do with my very existence. It was as if I could hear the echoes of all those people<br />
who, with the most sympathetic of tones, would say, &#8216;Well, except in cases of rape. . .  ,&#8217; or who would rather fervently exclaim in disgust: &#8216;Especially is cases of rape!!!&#8217; All these people are out there who don’t even know me, but are standing in judgment of my life, so quick to dismiss it just because of how I was conceived.  I felt like I was now going to have to justify my own existence, that I would have to prove myself to the world that I shouldn’t have been aborted and that I was worthy of living.  I also remember feeling like garbage because of people who would say that my life was like garbage &#8212; that I was disposable.&#8221;</p>
<p>Jennifer Parfenovics</p>
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		<title>By: ilona</title>
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		<dc:creator>ilona</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 01:47:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I absolutely agree one wrong does not make a right. Perhaps we need to open up the adoption debate again and allow childless couples the joy of raising their own child even if it is perceived to have come into the world unwanted. Someone always wants to give a home to a child.
Human life is sacred to God and to me. I vote for the right of the child to live.
Ilona Sturla</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I absolutely agree one wrong does not make a right. Perhaps we need to open up the adoption debate again and allow childless couples the joy of raising their own child even if it is perceived to have come into the world unwanted. Someone always wants to give a home to a child.<br />
Human life is sacred to God and to me. I vote for the right of the child to live.<br />
Ilona Sturla</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Sarfati</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathan Sarfati</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 13:13:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>See also &lt;a href=&quot;http://creationontheweb.com/content/view/5852/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Refuting contrived pro-abortion arguments&lt;/a&gt;.
Jonathan Sarfati, Brisbane</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>See also <a href="http://creationontheweb.com/content/view/5852/" rel="nofollow">Refuting contrived pro-abortion arguments</a>.<br />
Jonathan Sarfati, Brisbane</p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer Parfenovics</title>
		<link>http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2008/08/19/abortion-and-hard-cases/comment-page-1/#comment-96164</link>
		<dc:creator>Jennifer Parfenovics</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 13:00:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Robert Doolan has written: “Norma McCorvey, who under the pseudonym of ‘Jane Roe’ in 1973 prompted the landmark United States Supreme Court case Roe vs Wade (which decided in favour of abortion) announced in August that she now believes abortion is wrong .&quot; Further to this information, &#039;Roe&#039; has confessed that the claim she was raped was a lie to conceal her sexual promiscuity. This so called &#039;hard case&#039; which was nothing of the sort has led to tens of millions of deaths world wide and the open slather of &#039;abortion on demand&#039; for any or no particular reason. This is an inconvienient truth to contemplate. In little less than 45 years, just one so called&#039;&#039;fertility control clinic&#039; in East Melbourne has killed 250000 unborn members of the human family.

Abortion: an indispensable right or violence against women? by Lita Cosner: http://creationontheweb.com/content/view/4851/

&quot;The 10th anniversary of the Supreme Court decision in Roe v. Wade is a good time for us to pause and reflect. Our nationwide policy of abortion-on-demand through all nine months of pregnancy was neither voted for by our people nor enacted by our legislators— not a single state had such unrestricted abortion before the Supreme Court decreed it to be national policy in 1973. But the consequences of this judicial decision are now obvious: since 1973, more than 15 million unborn children have had their lives snuffed out by legalized abortions. That is over ten times the number of Americans lost in all our nation&#039;s wars. Make no mistake, abortion-on-demand is not a right granted by the Constitution. No serious scholar, including one disposed to agree with the Court&#039;s result, has argued that the framers of the Constitution intended to create such a right. Shortly after the Roe v. Wade decision, Professor John Hart Ely, now Dean of Stanford Law School, wrote that the opinion &#039;is not constitutional law and gives almost no sense of an obligation to try to be.&#039; Nowhere do the plain words of the Constitution even hint at a &#039;right&#039; so sweeping as to permit abortion up to the time the child is ready to be born. Yet that is what the Court ruled.&quot; 
Written by Ronald Reagan 1983 at http://www.humanlifereview.com/reagan/

Reagan&#039;s words again: &quot;Abortion concerns not just the unborn child, it concerns every one of us. The English poet, John Donne, wrote: &#039;. . . any man&#039;s death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind; and therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee.&#039; We cannot diminish the value of one category of human life—the unborn—without diminishing the value of all human life.&quot;

&quot;Abortion argument unravels. How the unborn child defends itself against its mother, confirming that he/she is a separate human being from the start.&quot; by Alexander Williams: http://creationontheweb.com/content/view/4633/

Jennifer Parfenovics</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robert Doolan has written: “Norma McCorvey, who under the pseudonym of ‘Jane Roe’ in 1973 prompted the landmark United States Supreme Court case Roe vs Wade (which decided in favour of abortion) announced in August that she now believes abortion is wrong .&#8221; Further to this information, &#8216;Roe&#8217; has confessed that the claim she was raped was a lie to conceal her sexual promiscuity. This so called &#8216;hard case&#8217; which was nothing of the sort has led to tens of millions of deaths world wide and the open slather of &#8216;abortion on demand&#8217; for any or no particular reason. This is an inconvienient truth to contemplate. In little less than 45 years, just one so called&#8221;fertility control clinic&#8217; in East Melbourne has killed 250000 unborn members of the human family.</p>
<p>Abortion: an indispensable right or violence against women? by Lita Cosner: <a href="http://creationontheweb.com/content/view/4851/" title="http://creationontheweb.com/content/view/4851/" class="autohyperlink" target="_blank">http://creationontheweb.com/content/view/4851/</a></p>
<p>&#8220;The 10th anniversary of the Supreme Court decision in Roe v. Wade is a good time for us to pause and reflect. Our nationwide policy of abortion-on-demand through all nine months of pregnancy was neither voted for by our people nor enacted by our legislators— not a single state had such unrestricted abortion before the Supreme Court decreed it to be national policy in 1973. But the consequences of this judicial decision are now obvious: since 1973, more than 15 million unborn children have had their lives snuffed out by legalized abortions. That is over ten times the number of Americans lost in all our nation&#8217;s wars. Make no mistake, abortion-on-demand is not a right granted by the Constitution. No serious scholar, including one disposed to agree with the Court&#8217;s result, has argued that the framers of the Constitution intended to create such a right. Shortly after the Roe v. Wade decision, Professor John Hart Ely, now Dean of Stanford Law School, wrote that the opinion &#8216;is not constitutional law and gives almost no sense of an obligation to try to be.&#8217; Nowhere do the plain words of the Constitution even hint at a &#8216;right&#8217; so sweeping as to permit abortion up to the time the child is ready to be born. Yet that is what the Court ruled.&#8221;<br />
Written by Ronald Reagan 1983 at <a href="http://www.humanlifereview.com/reagan/" title="http://www.humanlifereview.com/reagan/" class="autohyperlink" target="_blank">http://www.humanlifereview.com/reagan/</a></p>
<p>Reagan&#8217;s words again: &#8220;Abortion concerns not just the unborn child, it concerns every one of us. The English poet, John Donne, wrote: &#8216;. . . any man&#8217;s death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind; and therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee.&#8217; We cannot diminish the value of one category of human life—the unborn—without diminishing the value of all human life.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Abortion argument unravels. How the unborn child defends itself against its mother, confirming that he/she is a separate human being from the start.&#8221; by Alexander Williams: <a href="http://creationontheweb.com/content/view/4633/" title="http://creationontheweb.com/content/view/4633/" class="autohyperlink" target="_blank">http://creationontheweb.com/content/view/4633/</a></p>
<p>Jennifer Parfenovics</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Coventry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Coventry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 11:59:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The fact that the pro-abortion crowd so often argue on the basis of &quot;hard cases&quot; only goes to highlight the fact that they have no other arguments to offer.
Peter Coventry</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The fact that the pro-abortion crowd so often argue on the basis of &#8220;hard cases&#8221; only goes to highlight the fact that they have no other arguments to offer.<br />
Peter Coventry</p>
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		<title>By: david skinner</title>
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		<dc:creator>david skinner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 09:20:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A society, such as our own, whose behaviour used to be based on the Ten Commandments, of tolerance and trust and which put the needs of others ahead of its own, that resulted in a proliferation of charitable organisations (and which are increasingly coming under threat of closure from Stonewall) did not require legislation telling us to whom we could and could not incite hatred. We did not need to be told that it is permissible visit violence on all sections of society except  the orphan, the homeless, the aged, infirm, the insane, the left handed, ginger haired, height challenged and the obese the overweight. It was taken for granted not do those sorts of things.

With the arrival of the Equality and Human Rights Outfit however, we will all have to compete and register as who is and who is not deemed to be human.  How soon will it be before we have an evolutionary ladder of rights to protection, with maybe foxes, giant pandas and whales above the old, infirm, insane and with Christians at the bottom. One can only assume that violence may be legitimately visited on those, whose human rights card has expired? Sadly for seven million British citizens who have never had any human rights, the best start in life is to have been aborted, like the 200,000 babies last year, under the government’s SureStart Programme: http://www.surestart.gov.uk/

David Skinner, UK</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A society, such as our own, whose behaviour used to be based on the Ten Commandments, of tolerance and trust and which put the needs of others ahead of its own, that resulted in a proliferation of charitable organisations (and which are increasingly coming under threat of closure from Stonewall) did not require legislation telling us to whom we could and could not incite hatred. We did not need to be told that it is permissible visit violence on all sections of society except  the orphan, the homeless, the aged, infirm, the insane, the left handed, ginger haired, height challenged and the obese the overweight. It was taken for granted not do those sorts of things.</p>
<p>With the arrival of the Equality and Human Rights Outfit however, we will all have to compete and register as who is and who is not deemed to be human.  How soon will it be before we have an evolutionary ladder of rights to protection, with maybe foxes, giant pandas and whales above the old, infirm, insane and with Christians at the bottom. One can only assume that violence may be legitimately visited on those, whose human rights card has expired? Sadly for seven million British citizens who have never had any human rights, the best start in life is to have been aborted, like the 200,000 babies last year, under the government’s SureStart Programme: <a href="http://www.surestart.gov.uk/" title="http://www.surestart.gov.uk/" class="autohyperlink" target="_blank">http://www.surestart.gov.uk/</a></p>
<p>David Skinner, UK</p>
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