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		<title>By: Travis Walker</title>
		<link>http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2008/08/12/on-breaking-the-marriage-covenant/comment-page-1/#comment-253570</link>
		<dc:creator>Travis Walker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Sep 2011 06:56:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This should be read in every church pulpit. Except don&#039;t name John Edwards.

Other than that, it was perfectly written!!

Travis Walker</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This should be read in every church pulpit. Except don&#8217;t name John Edwards.</p>
<p>Other than that, it was perfectly written!!</p>
<p>Travis Walker</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Muehlenberg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Muehlenberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 08:57:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Judith

Yes quite right.
And by the way, for what it is worth, your comment was the 8000th to appear on this site! Well done.

Bill Muehlenberg, CultureWatch</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Judith</p>
<p>Yes quite right.<br />
And by the way, for what it is worth, your comment was the 8000th to appear on this site! Well done.</p>
<p>Bill Muehlenberg, CultureWatch</p>
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		<title>By: Judith Bond</title>
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		<dc:creator>Judith Bond</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 08:28:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does our morality dictate our theology or our theology dictate our morality?
Judith Bond</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does our morality dictate our theology or our theology dictate our morality?<br />
Judith Bond</p>
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		<title>By: mark tatnell</title>
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		<dc:creator>mark tatnell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Aug 2008 22:57:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To add to Stephen Frost&#039;s preceeding post, apparently the recent reduction in the divorce rate in Australia is purely as a result of economic decision. the word is that as the economic times reportedly become more difficult folks are less likely to separate because of the increased costs of finding separate accomodations etc. one might view this as a little bit mercenary but in a different reality it seems that any reason for staying together once the vows have been taken is better than a hundred reasons for splitting up? i mean, if it is possible for stressed couples to work through times of greater difficulty then doesn&#039;t it seem plausable that they might be able to relate when the pressures ease? in my unqualified view it is that all issues can be solved if both parties have a willingness to be involved. However, having said that, marrage issues will also be greatly avoided if the participants actually believe and take for Gospel the vows they made to each other at the time of marrage. no more-no less. all things are possible in God&#039;s love.
Mark Tatnell</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To add to Stephen Frost&#8217;s preceeding post, apparently the recent reduction in the divorce rate in Australia is purely as a result of economic decision. the word is that as the economic times reportedly become more difficult folks are less likely to separate because of the increased costs of finding separate accomodations etc. one might view this as a little bit mercenary but in a different reality it seems that any reason for staying together once the vows have been taken is better than a hundred reasons for splitting up? i mean, if it is possible for stressed couples to work through times of greater difficulty then doesn&#8217;t it seem plausable that they might be able to relate when the pressures ease? in my unqualified view it is that all issues can be solved if both parties have a willingness to be involved. However, having said that, marrage issues will also be greatly avoided if the participants actually believe and take for Gospel the vows they made to each other at the time of marrage. no more-no less. all things are possible in God&#8217;s love.<br />
Mark Tatnell</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Lewin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen Lewin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 02:28:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Timely message. Seems the legalisation of samesex marriage in California is going to be used by lobbyists to speed up attempts for this to happen soon. The united front obtained (with backing of much prayer) at Marriage Forum August 2004 at Parliament House needs to be regained for the battles upon us: Marriage, Adoption, Abortion, Euthanasia, Education, etc. Moral issues were made a minor issue at last Election. The Voice crying out for truth (yes spoken and written in love) must rise in this nation to speak as did the prophets did throughout the ages. One is reminded of the price that is paid to be Voice to the Government of the day - in the entry to the British houses of Parliament, which is the chapel of St Stephen the first martyr you see many murals showing clergy etc speaking the the leaders of the day. You see the section that honours the four patron Saints of England Ireland Wales and Scotland. This is part of our heritage - to speak out for Truth.
Why do I say that? John Anderson the former Deputy leader of Australia spoke in the Great Hall to Governent and church/ministry leaders and preached on who he thought were the most influential people that caused Australia&#039;s foundations to be framed within the Judeo-Christian ethic;: William Wilberforce, Earl of Shaftesbury, and John Newton. The former WW never gave up being the conscience to Parliament on subject of abolition of slavery - we can be inspired again to be the voice crying out for truth.
Stephen Lewin</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Timely message. Seems the legalisation of samesex marriage in California is going to be used by lobbyists to speed up attempts for this to happen soon. The united front obtained (with backing of much prayer) at Marriage Forum August 2004 at Parliament House needs to be regained for the battles upon us: Marriage, Adoption, Abortion, Euthanasia, Education, etc. Moral issues were made a minor issue at last Election. The Voice crying out for truth (yes spoken and written in love) must rise in this nation to speak as did the prophets did throughout the ages. One is reminded of the price that is paid to be Voice to the Government of the day &#8211; in the entry to the British houses of Parliament, which is the chapel of St Stephen the first martyr you see many murals showing clergy etc speaking the the leaders of the day. You see the section that honours the four patron Saints of England Ireland Wales and Scotland. This is part of our heritage &#8211; to speak out for Truth.<br />
Why do I say that? John Anderson the former Deputy leader of Australia spoke in the Great Hall to Governent and church/ministry leaders and preached on who he thought were the most influential people that caused Australia&#8217;s foundations to be framed within the Judeo-Christian ethic;: William Wilberforce, Earl of Shaftesbury, and John Newton. The former WW never gave up being the conscience to Parliament on subject of abolition of slavery &#8211; we can be inspired again to be the voice crying out for truth.<br />
Stephen Lewin</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Chu</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Chu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Aug 2008 07:29:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well written Bill!
Keep up the good work. This article couldn&#039;t have come too soon!
Brian Chu</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well written Bill!<br />
Keep up the good work. This article couldn&#8217;t have come too soon!<br />
Brian Chu</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Watts</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Watts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 22:37:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;...‘trying before buying’ relationships.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

You don&#039;t get too far with this attitude in a caf&#233;

Michael Watts</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>&#8230;‘trying before buying’ relationships.</p></blockquote>
<p>You don&#8217;t get too far with this attitude in a caf&eacute;</p>
<p>Michael Watts</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Coventry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Coventry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 10:31:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I refuse to use the term &quot;affair&quot; as it has a somewhat glamorous meaning nowadays. I much prefer to call it what it is ... adultery. It is not unreasonable to expect higher standards from those in public office. The &quot;only human&quot; defense is unsupportable.

Peter Coventry</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I refuse to use the term &#8220;affair&#8221; as it has a somewhat glamorous meaning nowadays. I much prefer to call it what it is &#8230; adultery. It is not unreasonable to expect higher standards from those in public office. The &#8220;only human&#8221; defense is unsupportable.</p>
<p>Peter Coventry</p>
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		<title>By: david skinner</title>
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		<dc:creator>david skinner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 06:00:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ever since the 60s, with Alfred Kinsey and Hugh Heffner of Playboy magazine, it is the heterosexual who has been responsible for blazing a trail of promiscuity.  Nothing stops us however from criticizing heterosexual adultery and fornication, but for us to even think of trying it with the LGBTs, would result in a first stop visit to the police station. We cannot criticise the LGBTs with adultery and fornication is simply because the vast majority of them do not operate on universal morality but on the principle of the individual having the right to choose for him or herself  what is right and wrong and what it true and what is false. The biggest crime is to appeal to a set of moral values as though they were an objective and absolute truth. What, apart from the residual, bourgeois liberal adherence to heterosexist ethical norms, makes permanence, faithfulness and stability things that homosexuals ought to value?

Children for some years now, in Britain have been taught to construct their own moral codes.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/1525244/Teachers-to-stop-teaching-children-right-from-wrong.html

Since civil partnerships and gay adoption has been made legal, there is not exactly a stampede for either the registry office or the adoption agency 
http://www.lga.gov.uk/lga/core/page.do?pageId=194714  (Civil partnerships fall by 55%)

http://www.divorceaid.co.uk/newsviews/papers.htm

Unlike race and gender, which are innocuous, neutral traits, sex is a powerful and often times unstable instinct, capable of radically impacting on us all for better or worse. None of us has clean hands with regard to this. When harnessed and contained within the God -given institution of marriage, it can be the cause for much blessing, in that it results in children, families, community and nation, but which, when allowed to roam wherever and in whatever form it wants, outside the safe bounds and constraints of monogamous, heterosexual and enduring marriage, becomes the cause of adultery, fornication, pornography, child prostitution, sado-masochism, bestiality, polygamy Aids, Sexually Transmitted Infections, unwanted pregnancies and the bloody carnage of abortions taking place in a hospital “near you.” These are the hall marks of a sexually addicted and decadent society-such as ours.

It is bad enough, that over the last fifty years we have rejected, more and more, the safety barriers of heterosexual marriage, as defined by Christianity for the last two thousand years, but we now want to embrace sexual practices like homosexuality (and no doubt further down the road incest and paedophilia) that are noted for even less inhibition and a positive addiction to risk. People are going to be criminalized for teaching their children a rational fear and hate of sexual practices that will inevitably end for their children with sexually transmitted diseases, mental and personality disorders such as bi-polar depression, alcoholism, drug addiction, loss of family life and an early grave. History bears this out. Do we want this for our children who already show signs of anxiety. According to UNICEF, Britain comes bottom of a league table with regard to child well-being across 21 industrialised countries?

Civitas, however, claims that for those heterosexuals who want to marry and raise a traditional family, the costs are prohibitative. Marriage is not out of fashion but out of reach: http://www.civitas.org.uk/blog/family_marriage_and_the_cultur/

David Skinner, UK</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ever since the 60s, with Alfred Kinsey and Hugh Heffner of Playboy magazine, it is the heterosexual who has been responsible for blazing a trail of promiscuity.  Nothing stops us however from criticizing heterosexual adultery and fornication, but for us to even think of trying it with the LGBTs, would result in a first stop visit to the police station. We cannot criticise the LGBTs with adultery and fornication is simply because the vast majority of them do not operate on universal morality but on the principle of the individual having the right to choose for him or herself  what is right and wrong and what it true and what is false. The biggest crime is to appeal to a set of moral values as though they were an objective and absolute truth. What, apart from the residual, bourgeois liberal adherence to heterosexist ethical norms, makes permanence, faithfulness and stability things that homosexuals ought to value?</p>
<p>Children for some years now, in Britain have been taught to construct their own moral codes.<br />
<a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/1525244/Teachers-to-stop-teaching-children-right-from-wrong.html" rel="nofollow">www.telegraph.co.uk/news/1525244/Teachers-to-stop-teaching-children-right-from-wrong.html</a></p>
<p>Since civil partnerships and gay adoption has been made legal, there is not exactly a stampede for either the registry office or the adoption agency<br />
<a href="http://www.lga.gov.uk/lga/core/page.do?pageId=194714" rel="nofollow">www.lga.gov.uk/lga/core/page.do?pageId=194714</a>  (Civil partnerships fall by 55%)</p>
<p><a href="http://www.divorceaid.co.uk/newsviews/papers.htm" rel="nofollow">www.divorceaid.co.uk/newsviews/papers.htm</a></p>
<p>Unlike race and gender, which are innocuous, neutral traits, sex is a powerful and often times unstable instinct, capable of radically impacting on us all for better or worse. None of us has clean hands with regard to this. When harnessed and contained within the God -given institution of marriage, it can be the cause for much blessing, in that it results in children, families, community and nation, but which, when allowed to roam wherever and in whatever form it wants, outside the safe bounds and constraints of monogamous, heterosexual and enduring marriage, becomes the cause of adultery, fornication, pornography, child prostitution, sado-masochism, bestiality, polygamy Aids, Sexually Transmitted Infections, unwanted pregnancies and the bloody carnage of abortions taking place in a hospital “near you.” These are the hall marks of a sexually addicted and decadent society-such as ours.</p>
<p>It is bad enough, that over the last fifty years we have rejected, more and more, the safety barriers of heterosexual marriage, as defined by Christianity for the last two thousand years, but we now want to embrace sexual practices like homosexuality (and no doubt further down the road incest and paedophilia) that are noted for even less inhibition and a positive addiction to risk. People are going to be criminalized for teaching their children a rational fear and hate of sexual practices that will inevitably end for their children with sexually transmitted diseases, mental and personality disorders such as bi-polar depression, alcoholism, drug addiction, loss of family life and an early grave. History bears this out. Do we want this for our children who already show signs of anxiety. According to UNICEF, Britain comes bottom of a league table with regard to child well-being across 21 industrialised countries?</p>
<p>Civitas, however, claims that for those heterosexuals who want to marry and raise a traditional family, the costs are prohibitative. Marriage is not out of fashion but out of reach: <a href="http://www.civitas.org.uk/blog/family_marriage_and_the_cultur/" rel="nofollow">www.civitas.org.uk/blog/family_marriage_and_the_cultur/</a></p>
<p>David Skinner, UK</p>
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		<title>By: fivos</title>
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		<dc:creator>fivos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 02:29:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marriage is sacred, and no good can come of one night stands regardless of whether an innocent child is concieved, for the vows are to be faithful always and forever. If a man can&#039;t stay committed to his wife, then he is not fit enough for marriage and cannot possilbly and truly love her whole heartedly.
Simply do not get married if you feel unsure of your sexual fantasies.
The bible is above all clear with the joining of man and women and becoming one flesh - let no man come between them.
Fivos Panayiotou</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marriage is sacred, and no good can come of one night stands regardless of whether an innocent child is concieved, for the vows are to be faithful always and forever. If a man can&#8217;t stay committed to his wife, then he is not fit enough for marriage and cannot possilbly and truly love her whole heartedly.<br />
Simply do not get married if you feel unsure of your sexual fantasies.<br />
The bible is above all clear with the joining of man and women and becoming one flesh &#8211; let no man come between them.<br />
Fivos Panayiotou</p>
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