Comments on: Homosexual Honesty http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2008/07/15/homosexual-honesty/ Bill Muehlenberg's commentary on issues of the day... Thu, 18 Mar 2010 04:51:20 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Victoria http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2008/07/15/homosexual-honesty/comment-page-1/#comment-110896 Victoria Fri, 14 Nov 2008 18:57:28 +0000 http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2008/07/15/homosexual-honesty/#comment-110896 I've had many gay male friends in the past and one thing that seemed to be evident with most of them was childhood sexual abuse by an older boy or man. Many people who claim they were "born" gay were abused and taken advantaged of and twisted by perverted adults when they were children. I think this has a lot to do with the issue of choosing the gay lifestyle as well as other factors. Victoria Demona I’ve had many gay male friends in the past and one thing that seemed to be evident with most of them was childhood sexual abuse by an older boy or man.

Many people who claim they were “born” gay were abused and taken advantaged of and twisted by perverted adults when they were children. I think this has a lot to do with the issue of choosing the gay lifestyle as well as other factors.

Victoria Demona

]]> By: Bill Muehlenberg http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2008/07/15/homosexual-honesty/comment-page-1/#comment-88449 Bill Muehlenberg Sun, 20 Jul 2008 05:20:07 +0000 http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2008/07/15/homosexual-honesty/#comment-88449 Thanks Chris Yes I have plenty of other posts on the subject and there I make it clear why it does matter. This is a high risk and dangerous lifestyle which is not in the best interests of the wider community, and it has a detrimental effect on the institutions of marriage and family. As I say, I make this case elsewhere on this site if you wish to explore it further. Bill Muehlenberg, CultureWatch Thanks Chris

Yes I have plenty of other posts on the subject and there I make it clear why it does matter. This is a high risk and dangerous lifestyle which is not in the best interests of the wider community, and it has a detrimental effect on the institutions of marriage and family. As I say, I make this case elsewhere on this site if you wish to explore it further.

Bill Muehlenberg, CultureWatch

]]> By: Chris Tavistock http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2008/07/15/homosexual-honesty/comment-page-1/#comment-88413 Chris Tavistock Sun, 20 Jul 2008 02:47:24 +0000 http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2008/07/15/homosexual-honesty/#comment-88413 And...? Why does it make any difference to you whether homosexuals come to be that way by genes or by choice? And if it was by choice, why should that make any difference in the legislation? Maybe you have discussed this before but I find the assumptions you carried into this article rather... odd. Chris Tavistock And…?

Why does it make any difference to you whether homosexuals come to be that way by genes or by choice?

And if it was by choice, why should that make any difference in the legislation?

Maybe you have discussed this before but I find the assumptions you carried into this article rather… odd.

Chris Tavistock

]]> By: Jonathan Sarfati http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2008/07/15/homosexual-honesty/comment-page-1/#comment-87965 Jonathan Sarfati Fri, 18 Jul 2008 06:29:37 +0000 http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2008/07/15/homosexual-honesty/#comment-87965 Too true about the feminist irony. See also <a href="http://creationontheweb.com/content/view/4851/" rel="nofollow">Abortion: an indispensable right or violence against women?</a> It would apply equally to babies with an alleged gay gene. Jonathan Sarfati, Brisbane Too true about the feminist irony. See also Abortion: an indispensable right or violence against women? It would apply equally to babies with an alleged gay gene.
Jonathan Sarfati, Brisbane

]]> By: Michael Mifsud http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2008/07/15/homosexual-honesty/comment-page-1/#comment-87725 Michael Mifsud Wed, 16 Jul 2008 22:00:55 +0000 http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2008/07/15/homosexual-honesty/#comment-87725 Exactly David. Just as the militant feminists hands are tied to a degree when it comes to the aborting of female babies. But the gay lobby would say its wrong... and expect violently protest. Michael Mifsud Exactly David. Just as the militant feminists hands are tied to a degree when it comes to the aborting of female babies. But the gay lobby would say its wrong… and expect violently protest.
Michael Mifsud

]]> By: david skinner http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2008/07/15/homosexual-honesty/comment-page-1/#comment-87641 david skinner Wed, 16 Jul 2008 08:36:44 +0000 http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2008/07/15/homosexual-honesty/#comment-87641 As one commentator pointed out that If doctors learn to spot emerging gay brains and are unable to alter them, parents who are determined not to raise gay children, out their right to choose and design their babies, will do what's already done to female foetuses in much of the world and this is to abort them. I cannot imagine that most homosexuals are against abortion for whatever pretext, or that they are against equality; so it would be wrong for them to say we can abort for all manner of reasons except if the foetus is gay. David Skinner, UK As one commentator pointed out that If doctors learn to spot emerging gay brains and are unable to alter them, parents who are determined not to raise gay children, out their right to choose and design their babies, will do what’s already done to female foetuses in much of the world and this is to abort them. I cannot imagine that most homosexuals are against abortion for whatever pretext, or that they are against equality; so it would be wrong for them to say we can abort for all manner of reasons except if the foetus is gay.
David Skinner, UK

]]> By: david skinner http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2008/07/15/homosexual-honesty/comment-page-1/#comment-87630 david skinner Wed, 16 Jul 2008 06:43:46 +0000 http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2008/07/15/homosexual-honesty/#comment-87630 One of the reasons put forward for homosexuals rejecting the genetic theory is that it would justify medical research into gene therapy or the eventual screening out of gay genes. In fact Peter Tatchell was one of those who protested at scientists trying to cure a flock of “gay sheep in Oregon: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/01/02/sheep_research/ Jonathan thank you for this piece that I can add to a jig saw that I have been constructing over the last two years. It is a piece that is a mere detail to a story that Christians, especially, need to understand regarding the danger in which our children are being placed in state schools. It is here where the Lesbian Gay Bisexual and Trans sexual History Month is being pushed. Parents need to find out whether schools are participating in this: http://www.lgbthistorymonth.org.uk/aboutus/schools.htm http://www.drjudithreisman.com/archives/pink_swastika.pdf http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache:UPjbwoyCc3wJ:prolifemonitor.blogspot.com/+reisman+ernst+roehm+paedophilia&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=uk ( Homosexuality and the Nazis) Neither should we wish to suppress the truth concerning the disproportionately high numbers of homosexuals involved in rapes and serial killing: http://news.independent.co.uk/europe/article3204049.ece (Former French drag queen arrested for serial murders) http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,21831702-5001021,00.html (gang rape in Netherlands) http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-6583.html (Rape in Sydney) http://listverse.com/crime/top-10-evil-serial-killers/ (World worst serial killers; 4 out of 10 being homosexual) Not can we ignore violence perpetrated by homosexuals against those who oppose them - especially Christians: http://www.christian.org.uk/rel_liberties/cases/harry_hammond.htm (Persecution and death of Harry Hammond even though Bournemouth Pride is deeply offensive and a moral threat to holidaying families and their children) David Skinner, UK One of the reasons put forward for homosexuals rejecting the genetic theory is that it would justify medical research into gene therapy or the eventual screening out of gay genes. In fact Peter Tatchell was one of those who protested at scientists trying to cure a flock of “gay sheep in Oregon: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/01/02/sheep_research/

Jonathan thank you for this piece that I can add to a jig saw that I have been constructing over the last two years. It is a piece that is a mere detail to a story that Christians, especially, need to understand regarding the danger in which our children are being placed in state schools. It is here where the Lesbian Gay Bisexual and Trans sexual History Month is being pushed. Parents need to find out whether schools are participating in this: http://www.lgbthistorymonth.org.uk/aboutus/schools.htm
http://www.drjudithreisman.com/archives/pink_swastika.pdf
http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache:UPjbwoyCc3wJ:prolifemonitor.blogspot.com/+reisman+ernst+roehm+paedophilia&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=uk ( Homosexuality and the Nazis)

Neither should we wish to suppress the truth concerning the disproportionately high numbers of homosexuals involved in rapes and serial killing:
http://news.independent.co.uk/europe/article3204049.ece (Former French drag queen arrested for serial murders)
http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,21831702-5001021,00.html (gang rape in Netherlands)
http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-6583.html (Rape in Sydney)
http://listverse.com/crime/top-10-evil-serial-killers/ (World worst serial killers; 4 out of 10 being homosexual)

Not can we ignore violence perpetrated by homosexuals against those who oppose them – especially Christians:
http://www.christian.org.uk/rel_liberties/cases/harry_hammond.htm (Persecution and death of Harry Hammond even though Bournemouth Pride is deeply offensive and a moral threat to holidaying families and their children)

David Skinner, UK

]]> By: Michael Mifsud http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2008/07/15/homosexual-honesty/comment-page-1/#comment-87575 Michael Mifsud Tue, 15 Jul 2008 22:28:59 +0000 http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2008/07/15/homosexual-honesty/#comment-87575 This is what I disdain about many atheists, materialists and the like. Many know very well that homosexuality isn’t genetic and they are not a minority group equivalent to black Americans in the 60s but use these dishonest arguments because they are effective. I would hazard to guess that most intellectual homosexuals would really hate the genetic argument because it says that their condition is aberrant (it deviates from the norm and is therefore more in the category of Down syndrome) and it also takes choice away from them. The use of equivocation is rampant in the atheistic camp. A thought experiment occurred to me. If homosexuality did have an easily identifiable genetic marker do you think heterosexual couples would hesitate to abort potentially homosexual babies? Would homosexuals suddenly become pro-life? Michael Mifsud This is what I disdain about many atheists, materialists and the like. Many know very well that homosexuality isn’t genetic and they are not a minority group equivalent to black Americans in the 60s but use these dishonest arguments because they are effective. I would hazard to guess that most intellectual homosexuals would really hate the genetic argument because it says that their condition is aberrant (it deviates from the norm and is therefore more in the category of Down syndrome) and it also takes choice away from them.

The use of equivocation is rampant in the atheistic camp.

A thought experiment occurred to me. If homosexuality did have an easily identifiable genetic marker do you think heterosexual couples would hesitate to abort potentially homosexual babies? Would homosexuals suddenly become pro-life?

Michael Mifsud

]]> By: Jonathan Sarfati http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2008/07/15/homosexual-honesty/comment-page-1/#comment-87551 Jonathan Sarfati Tue, 15 Jul 2008 16:39:04 +0000 http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2008/07/15/homosexual-honesty/#comment-87551 "One orientation, however, that is truly rooted in our DNA is the orientation towards sin." I doubt that sin is in DNA. Man comprises both a material and a non-material aspect, and sin is in the latter. Jonathan Sarfati “One orientation, however, that is truly rooted in our DNA is the orientation towards sin.”
I doubt that sin is in DNA. Man comprises both a material and a non-material aspect, and sin is in the latter.
Jonathan Sarfati

]]> By: Jonathan Sarfati http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2008/07/15/homosexual-honesty/comment-page-1/#comment-87550 Jonathan Sarfati Tue, 15 Jul 2008 16:37:42 +0000 http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2008/07/15/homosexual-honesty/#comment-87550 A couple of good recent articles: <a href="http://www.christianworldviewnetwork.com/article.php/3742/" rel="nofollow">Were Homosexuals Targeted By Hitler? Honest Historians Seek Answer Because Correct History is Important Even if it is Politically Incorrect</a> <a href="http://www.townhall.com/Columnists/DennisPrager/2008/07/15/false_equation_opposing_same-sex_marriage_and_opposing_interracial_marriage" rel="nofollow">False Equation: Opposing Same-Sex Marriage and Opposing Interracial Marriage</a> by Dennis Prager Jonathan Sarfati, Brisbane A couple of good recent articles:

Were Homosexuals Targeted By Hitler? Honest Historians Seek Answer Because Correct History is Important Even if it is Politically Incorrect
False Equation: Opposing Same-Sex Marriage and Opposing Interracial Marriage by Dennis Prager
Jonathan Sarfati, Brisbane

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