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		<title>By: Dorian Ballard</title>
		<link>http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2008/07/15/homosexual-honesty/comment-page-1/#comment-186708</link>
		<dc:creator>Dorian Ballard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 May 2010 14:19:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If we take a look at Sy Rogers and ex homosexual and transvestite with a ministry on 5 continents he claims when he was 7 years of age and craving the attention of his father and not getting it that he heard a voice as he watched a tarzan film. He noticed Tarzan&#039;s attention being given to Jane and the voice said to him &#039;if you act like her then you will get mans attention&#039;, Sy&#039;s remarks after he told his audience this was &#039;Now I wonder who that was&#039;, the implied answer of course &#039;satan&#039;. The devil is the distorter of mans natural order. I work with sexual disorder probably more than any other area, and time and time again, molestation and pornography are at the core of homosexuality. In the words of one man I know he stated that after continually sowing pornography into his life he began to act as the female in times of giving himself over to this behaviour, he remarked that his voice started to change much like one would notice a homosexual with an effeminate voice and lisp. He was bombarded in his mind as a heterosexual to have his first sexual encounter with another male and shortly after becoming a Christian began to fight these thoughts and temptation to fantasize and sin. Within 2 years of struggling against and resisting these thoughts he was free. Today he is married with children and remarks to me that he is completely free from any temptation or thought of same sex communications, in fact he tells me that even if he sees (media productions, TV) or hears of homosexuality he is repulsed and disgusted.
Dorian Ballard</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If we take a look at Sy Rogers and ex homosexual and transvestite with a ministry on 5 continents he claims when he was 7 years of age and craving the attention of his father and not getting it that he heard a voice as he watched a tarzan film. He noticed Tarzan&#8217;s attention being given to Jane and the voice said to him &#8216;if you act like her then you will get mans attention&#8217;, Sy&#8217;s remarks after he told his audience this was &#8216;Now I wonder who that was&#8217;, the implied answer of course &#8217;satan&#8217;. The devil is the distorter of mans natural order. I work with sexual disorder probably more than any other area, and time and time again, molestation and pornography are at the core of homosexuality. In the words of one man I know he stated that after continually sowing pornography into his life he began to act as the female in times of giving himself over to this behaviour, he remarked that his voice started to change much like one would notice a homosexual with an effeminate voice and lisp. He was bombarded in his mind as a heterosexual to have his first sexual encounter with another male and shortly after becoming a Christian began to fight these thoughts and temptation to fantasize and sin. Within 2 years of struggling against and resisting these thoughts he was free. Today he is married with children and remarks to me that he is completely free from any temptation or thought of same sex communications, in fact he tells me that even if he sees (media productions, TV) or hears of homosexuality he is repulsed and disgusted.<br />
Dorian Ballard</p>
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		<title>By: Victoria</title>
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		<dc:creator>Victoria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 18:57:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve had many gay male friends in the past and one thing that seemed to be evident with most of them was childhood sexual abuse by an older boy or man.

Many people who claim they were &quot;born&quot; gay were abused and taken advantaged of and twisted by perverted adults when they were children. I think this has a lot to do with the issue of choosing the gay lifestyle as well as other factors.

Victoria Demona</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve had many gay male friends in the past and one thing that seemed to be evident with most of them was childhood sexual abuse by an older boy or man.</p>
<p>Many people who claim they were &#8220;born&#8221; gay were abused and taken advantaged of and twisted by perverted adults when they were children. I think this has a lot to do with the issue of choosing the gay lifestyle as well as other factors.</p>
<p>Victoria Demona</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Muehlenberg</title>
		<link>http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2008/07/15/homosexual-honesty/comment-page-1/#comment-88449</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Muehlenberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 05:20:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Chris

Yes I have plenty of other posts on the subject and there I make it clear why it does matter. This is a high risk and dangerous lifestyle which is not in the best interests of the wider community, and it has a detrimental effect on the institutions of marriage and family. As I say, I make this case elsewhere on this site if you wish to explore it further.

Bill Muehlenberg, CultureWatch</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Chris</p>
<p>Yes I have plenty of other posts on the subject and there I make it clear why it does matter. This is a high risk and dangerous lifestyle which is not in the best interests of the wider community, and it has a detrimental effect on the institutions of marriage and family. As I say, I make this case elsewhere on this site if you wish to explore it further.</p>
<p>Bill Muehlenberg, CultureWatch</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Tavistock</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Tavistock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 02:47:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And...?

Why does it make any difference to you whether homosexuals come to be that way by genes or by choice?

And if it was by choice, why should that make any difference in the legislation?

Maybe you have discussed this before but I find the assumptions you carried into this article rather... odd.

Chris Tavistock</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And&#8230;?</p>
<p>Why does it make any difference to you whether homosexuals come to be that way by genes or by choice?</p>
<p>And if it was by choice, why should that make any difference in the legislation?</p>
<p>Maybe you have discussed this before but I find the assumptions you carried into this article rather&#8230; odd.</p>
<p>Chris Tavistock</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Sarfati</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathan Sarfati</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 06:29:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Too true about the feminist irony. See also &lt;a href=&quot;http://creationontheweb.com/content/view/4851/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Abortion: an indispensable right or violence against women?&lt;/a&gt;  It would apply equally to babies with an alleged gay gene.
Jonathan Sarfati, Brisbane</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Too true about the feminist irony. See also <a href="http://creationontheweb.com/content/view/4851/" rel="nofollow">Abortion: an indispensable right or violence against women?</a>  It would apply equally to babies with an alleged gay gene.<br />
Jonathan Sarfati, Brisbane</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Mifsud</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Mifsud</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 22:00:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Exactly David.  Just as the militant feminists hands are tied to a degree when it comes to the aborting of female babies.  But the gay lobby would say its wrong... and expect violently protest.
Michael Mifsud</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Exactly David.  Just as the militant feminists hands are tied to a degree when it comes to the aborting of female babies.  But the gay lobby would say its wrong&#8230; and expect violently protest.<br />
Michael Mifsud</p>
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		<title>By: david skinner</title>
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		<dc:creator>david skinner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 08:36:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As one commentator pointed out that If doctors learn to spot emerging gay brains and are unable to alter them, parents who are determined not to raise gay children, out their right to choose and design their babies, will do what&#039;s already done to female foetuses in much of the world and this is to abort them. I cannot imagine that most homosexuals are against abortion for whatever pretext, or that they are against equality; so it would be wrong for them to say we can abort for all manner of reasons except if the foetus is gay.
David Skinner, UK</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As one commentator pointed out that If doctors learn to spot emerging gay brains and are unable to alter them, parents who are determined not to raise gay children, out their right to choose and design their babies, will do what&#8217;s already done to female foetuses in much of the world and this is to abort them. I cannot imagine that most homosexuals are against abortion for whatever pretext, or that they are against equality; so it would be wrong for them to say we can abort for all manner of reasons except if the foetus is gay.<br />
David Skinner, UK</p>
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		<title>By: david skinner</title>
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		<dc:creator>david skinner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 06:43:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of the reasons put forward for homosexuals rejecting the genetic theory is that it would justify medical research into gene therapy or the eventual screening out of gay genes. In fact Peter Tatchell was one of those who protested at scientists trying to cure a flock of “gay sheep in Oregon: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/01/02/sheep_research/

Jonathan thank you for this piece that I can add to a jig saw that I have been constructing over the last two years. It is a piece that is a mere detail to a story that Christians, especially, need to understand regarding the danger in which our children are being placed in state schools. It is here where the Lesbian Gay Bisexual and Trans sexual History Month is being pushed. Parents need to find out whether schools are participating in this: http://www.lgbthistorymonth.org.uk/aboutus/schools.htm 
http://www.drjudithreisman.com/archives/pink_swastika.pdf
http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache:UPjbwoyCc3wJ:prolifemonitor.blogspot.com/+reisman+ernst+roehm+paedophilia&amp;hl=en&amp;ct=clnk&amp;cd=1&amp;gl=uk ( Homosexuality and the Nazis)

Neither should we wish to suppress the truth concerning the disproportionately high numbers of homosexuals involved in rapes and serial killing:
http://news.independent.co.uk/europe/article3204049.ece  (Former French drag queen arrested for serial murders)
http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,21831702-5001021,00.html (gang rape in Netherlands)
http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-6583.html  (Rape in Sydney)
http://listverse.com/crime/top-10-evil-serial-killers/  (World worst serial killers; 4 out of 10 being homosexual)

Not can we ignore violence perpetrated by homosexuals against those who oppose them - especially Christians:
http://www.christian.org.uk/rel_liberties/cases/harry_hammond.htm  (Persecution and death of Harry Hammond even though Bournemouth Pride is deeply offensive and a moral threat to holidaying families and their children)

David Skinner, UK</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the reasons put forward for homosexuals rejecting the genetic theory is that it would justify medical research into gene therapy or the eventual screening out of gay genes. In fact Peter Tatchell was one of those who protested at scientists trying to cure a flock of “gay sheep in Oregon: <a href="http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/01/02/sheep_research/" title="http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/01/02/sheep_research/" class="autohyperlink" target="_blank">http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/01/02/sheep_research/</a></p>
<p>Jonathan thank you for this piece that I can add to a jig saw that I have been constructing over the last two years. It is a piece that is a mere detail to a story that Christians, especially, need to understand regarding the danger in which our children are being placed in state schools. It is here where the Lesbian Gay Bisexual and Trans sexual History Month is being pushed. Parents need to find out whether schools are participating in this: <a href="http://www.lgbthistorymonth.org.uk/aboutus/schools.htm" title="http://www.lgbthistorymonth.org.uk/aboutus/schools.htm" class="autohyperlink" target="_blank">http://www.lgbthistorymonth.org.uk/aboutus/schools.htm</a><br />
<a href="http://www.drjudithreisman.com/archives/pink_swastika.pdf" title="http://www.drjudithreisman.com/archives/pink_swastika.pdf" class="autohyperlink" target="_blank">http://www.drjudithreisman.com/archives/pink_swastika.pdf</a><br />
<a href="http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache:UPjbwoyCc3wJ:prolifemonitor.blogspot.com/+reisman+ernst+roehm+paedophilia&amp;hl=en&amp;ct=clnk&amp;cd=1&amp;gl=uk" title="http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache:UPjbwoyCc3wJ:prolifemonitor.blogspot.com/+reisman+ernst+roehm+paedophilia&amp;hl=en&amp;ct=clnk&amp;cd=1&amp;gl=uk" class="autohyperlink" target="_blank">http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache:UPjbwoyCc3wJ:prolifemonitor.blogspot.com/+reisman+ernst+roehm+paedophilia&amp;hl=en&amp;ct=clnk&amp;cd=1&amp;gl=uk</a> ( Homosexuality and the Nazis)</p>
<p>Neither should we wish to suppress the truth concerning the disproportionately high numbers of homosexuals involved in rapes and serial killing:<br />
<a href="http://news.independent.co.uk/europe/article3204049.ece" title="http://news.independent.co.uk/europe/article3204049.ece" class="autohyperlink" target="_blank">http://news.independent.co.uk/europe/article3204049.ece</a>  (Former French drag queen arrested for serial murders)<br />
<a href="http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,21831702-5001021,00.html" title="http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,21831702-5001021,00.html" class="autohyperlink" target="_blank">http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,21831702-5001021,00.html</a> (gang rape in Netherlands)<br />
<a href="http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-6583.html" title="http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-6583.html" class="autohyperlink" target="_blank">http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-6583.html</a>  (Rape in Sydney)<br />
<a href="http://listverse.com/crime/top-10-evil-serial-killers/" title="http://listverse.com/crime/top-10-evil-serial-killers/" class="autohyperlink" target="_blank">http://listverse.com/crime/top-10-evil-serial-killers/</a>  (World worst serial killers; 4 out of 10 being homosexual)</p>
<p>Not can we ignore violence perpetrated by homosexuals against those who oppose them &#8211; especially Christians:<br />
<a href="http://www.christian.org.uk/rel_liberties/cases/harry_hammond.htm" title="http://www.christian.org.uk/rel_liberties/cases/harry_hammond.htm" class="autohyperlink" target="_blank">http://www.christian.org.uk/rel_liberties/cases/harry_hammond.htm</a>  (Persecution and death of Harry Hammond even though Bournemouth Pride is deeply offensive and a moral threat to holidaying families and their children)</p>
<p>David Skinner, UK</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Mifsud</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Mifsud</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 22:28:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is what I disdain about many atheists, materialists and the like.  Many know very well that homosexuality isn’t genetic and they are not a minority group equivalent to black Americans in the 60s but use these dishonest arguments because they are effective.  I would hazard to guess that most intellectual homosexuals would really hate the genetic argument because it says that their condition is aberrant (it deviates from the norm and is therefore more in the category of Down syndrome) and it also takes choice away from them.

The use of equivocation is rampant in the atheistic camp.  

A thought experiment occurred to me.  If homosexuality did have an easily identifiable genetic marker do you think heterosexual couples would hesitate to abort potentially homosexual babies?  Would homosexuals suddenly become pro-life?

Michael Mifsud</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is what I disdain about many atheists, materialists and the like.  Many know very well that homosexuality isn’t genetic and they are not a minority group equivalent to black Americans in the 60s but use these dishonest arguments because they are effective.  I would hazard to guess that most intellectual homosexuals would really hate the genetic argument because it says that their condition is aberrant (it deviates from the norm and is therefore more in the category of Down syndrome) and it also takes choice away from them.</p>
<p>The use of equivocation is rampant in the atheistic camp.  </p>
<p>A thought experiment occurred to me.  If homosexuality did have an easily identifiable genetic marker do you think heterosexual couples would hesitate to abort potentially homosexual babies?  Would homosexuals suddenly become pro-life?</p>
<p>Michael Mifsud</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Sarfati</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathan Sarfati</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 16:39:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;One orientation, however, that is truly rooted in our DNA is the orientation towards sin.&quot; 
I doubt that sin is in DNA.  Man comprises both a material and a non-material aspect, and sin is in the latter.
Jonathan Sarfati</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;One orientation, however, that is truly rooted in our DNA is the orientation towards sin.&#8221;<br />
I doubt that sin is in DNA.  Man comprises both a material and a non-material aspect, and sin is in the latter.<br />
Jonathan Sarfati</p>
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