Comments on: How Free is the Free West? http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2008/06/10/how-free-is-the-free-west/ Bill Muehlenberg's commentary on issues of the day... Fri, 10 Feb 2012 10:27:21 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Jonathan Sarfati http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2008/06/10/how-free-is-the-free-west/comment-page-1/#comment-82122 Jonathan Sarfati Thu, 19 Jun 2008 02:52:06 +0000 http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2008/06/10/how-free-is-the-free-west/#comment-82122 See how the <a href="http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=67413" rel="nofollow">German government continues the Nazi policy of crushing homeschooling</a>. Jonathan Sarfati, Brisbane See how the German government continues the Nazi policy of crushing homeschooling.
Jonathan Sarfati, Brisbane

]]> By: Peter Rice http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2008/06/10/how-free-is-the-free-west/comment-page-1/#comment-80556 Peter Rice Thu, 12 Jun 2008 05:34:02 +0000 http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2008/06/10/how-free-is-the-free-west/#comment-80556 The possibility of evil replacing good is in serious danger of happening if this passes into Victorian law. Will state parliamentarians be propected? Will any public figure be safe? How many courts or tribunals will be needed to handle the cases for their decision? The media alone would fearure in large part when they do their job of exposing wrong things and then get done in cour by smart lawyers? Even judges and magistrates could end up trying to protect themselves because of the determinations they make. This is a bad one and should be scrapped! Peter Rice The possibility of evil replacing good is in serious danger of happening if this passes into Victorian law. Will state parliamentarians be propected? Will any public figure be safe? How many courts or tribunals will be needed to handle the cases for their decision? The media alone would fearure in large part when they do their job of exposing wrong things and then get done in cour by smart lawyers? Even judges and magistrates could end up trying to protect themselves because of the determinations they make. This is a bad one and should be scrapped!
Peter Rice

]]> By: Jonathan Sarfati http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2008/06/10/how-free-is-the-free-west/comment-page-1/#comment-80538 Jonathan Sarfati Thu, 12 Jun 2008 02:16:49 +0000 http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2008/06/10/how-free-is-the-free-west/#comment-80538 See <a href="http://www.townhall.com/Columnists/RobertKnight/2008/06/11/media_ignore_that_gagging_sound_from_canada?page=full&comments=true" rel="nofollow">Media Ignore That Gagging Sound from Canada</a> by By Robert Knight. Jonathan Sarfati, Brisbane See Media Ignore That Gagging Sound from Canada by By Robert Knight.
Jonathan Sarfati, Brisbane

]]> By: Ewan http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2008/06/10/how-free-is-the-free-west/comment-page-1/#comment-80476 Ewan Wed, 11 Jun 2008 13:41:17 +0000 http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2008/06/10/how-free-is-the-free-west/#comment-80476 Good one Duane. Unfortunately there are probably enough references to me out there on the web for the thought police to track me down anyway. I even have a mention on unbelief.org - but I mustn't boast. Ewan McDonald, Third planet from the sun. Good one Duane. Unfortunately there are probably enough references to me out there on the web for the thought police to track me down anyway. I even have a mention on unbelief.org – but I mustn’t boast.

Ewan McDonald, Third planet from the sun.

]]> By: Bill Muehlenberg http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2008/06/10/how-free-is-the-free-west/comment-page-1/#comment-80428 Bill Muehlenberg Wed, 11 Jun 2008 05:34:22 +0000 http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2008/06/10/how-free-is-the-free-west/#comment-80428 Thanks Murray Yes, I am about to write up this most alarming story – stay tuned. Bill Muehlenberg, CultureWatch Thanks Murray

Yes, I am about to write up this most alarming story – stay tuned.

Bill Muehlenberg, CultureWatch

]]> By: Jonathan Sarfati http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2008/06/10/how-free-is-the-free-west/comment-page-1/#comment-80397 Jonathan Sarfati Wed, 11 Jun 2008 00:59:28 +0000 http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2008/06/10/how-free-is-the-free-west/#comment-80397 B. Hussein Obama and a Democrat-controlled Congress would pass Canada-like laws. But many of America's Christian "leaders" are just as oblivious, and as much "useful idiots" as many Layba supporting Christian lobbyists were in Australia. Jonathan Sarfati, Brisbane B. Hussein Obama and a Democrat-controlled Congress would pass Canada-like laws. But many of America’s Christian “leaders” are just as oblivious, and as much “useful idiots” as many Layba supporting Christian lobbyists were in Australia.
Jonathan Sarfati, Brisbane

]]> By: Bill Muehlenberg http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2008/06/10/how-free-is-the-free-west/comment-page-1/#comment-80392 Bill Muehlenberg Wed, 11 Jun 2008 00:28:48 +0000 http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2008/06/10/how-free-is-the-free-west/#comment-80392 Thanks Duane While I will resist the temptation to any messianic pretensions here, you are right about the coming persecution for Christ’s sake. We are warned about being dragged before tribunals, as Jesus said (eg., Matt. 10:17-18). Those who will stand up and be counted for Jesus will increasingly find themselves standing against the various courts and commissions. The question is, are we willing to pay the price? Or will we cower in fear and go along with the system? Bill Muehlenberg, CultureWatch Thanks Duane

While I will resist the temptation to any messianic pretensions here, you are right about the coming persecution for Christ’s sake. We are warned about being dragged before tribunals, as Jesus said (eg., Matt. 10:17-18). Those who will stand up and be counted for Jesus will increasingly find themselves standing against the various courts and commissions. The question is, are we willing to pay the price? Or will we cower in fear and go along with the system?

Bill Muehlenberg, CultureWatch

]]> By: MurrayA http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2008/06/10/how-free-is-the-free-west/comment-page-1/#comment-80389 MurrayA Wed, 11 Jun 2008 00:03:46 +0000 http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2008/06/10/how-free-is-the-free-west/#comment-80389 Bill, you have omitted the notorious Stephen Boission case in Alberta, Canada, prosecuted under the infamous Section 13 of the Human Rights Act in the country, which deal with hate crimes. The details can be found here: http://www.worldnetdaily.com/?pageId=66704 and here: http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2008/jun/08060902.html and commentary here by Ezra Levant, Jewish journalist in Canada, who himself fell foul of the same Act: http://www.ezralevant.com/ - where there are several entries relating to the case, along with links to other video clips etc. The case should be studied by ALL Christians, because with the likes of Rob Hulls here in Victoria, and wall-to-wall Labor governments the same will happen here. It is only a matter of time. Persecution is alive and well here and in the Western world generally! And don't imagine that truth will get you off the hook: under these "hate speech" laws truth is no defence. In that case I really wonder why a witness in a case under such a law should have to swear "to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth". Why not simply swear that the evidence one shall give shall hurt no-one's feelings? After all, that is what "hate speech" laws are all about, are they not? Murray Adamthwaite Bill, you have omitted the notorious Stephen Boission case in Alberta, Canada, prosecuted under the infamous Section 13 of the Human Rights Act in the country, which deal with hate crimes. The details can be found here:
www.worldnetdaily.com/?pageId=66704
and here:
www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2008/jun/08060902.html
and commentary here by Ezra Levant, Jewish journalist in Canada, who himself fell foul of the same Act:
www.ezralevant.com/
- where there are several entries relating to the case, along with links to other video clips etc.

The case should be studied by ALL Christians, because with the likes of Rob Hulls here in Victoria, and wall-to-wall Labor governments the same will happen here. It is only a matter of time.
Persecution is alive and well here and in the Western world generally!

And don’t imagine that truth will get you off the hook: under these “hate speech” laws truth is no defence. In that case I really wonder why a witness in a case under such a law should have to swear “to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth”. Why not simply swear that the evidence one shall give shall hurt no-one’s feelings? After all, that is what “hate speech” laws are all about, are they not?

Murray Adamthwaite

]]> By: Duane Proud http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2008/06/10/how-free-is-the-free-west/comment-page-1/#comment-80375 Duane Proud Tue, 10 Jun 2008 22:00:59 +0000 http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2008/06/10/how-free-is-the-free-west/#comment-80375 Then seizing Bill, they led him away and took him into the house of the high court judge. Ewan followed at a distance. But when they had gathered outside the courtroom and had sat down together, Ewan sat down with them. A postmodern thinker saw him seated there in the firelight and looked closely at him and said, "This man was with him." But he denied it. "Woman, I don't know him," he said. A little later someone else saw him and said, "You also are one of them." "Man, I am not!" Ewan replied. About an hour later another asserted, "Certainly this fellow was with him, for he is a Victorian from an undisclosed location." Ewan replied, "Man, I don't know what you're talking about!" Just as he was speaking, Bill's website was shut down. Bill turned and looked straight at Ewan. Then Ewan remembered the things that Bill had spoken of in his blog: "I expect one day the thought police will come knocking on my door, demanding that I close down this website." And he went outside and wept bitterly. :) Luke 22:54-62 Duane Proud Then seizing Bill, they led him away and took him into the house of the high court judge. Ewan followed at a distance. But when they had gathered outside the courtroom and had sat down together, Ewan sat down with them. A postmodern thinker saw him seated there in the firelight and looked closely at him and said, “This man was with him.” But he denied it. “Woman, I don’t know him,” he said.

A little later someone else saw him and said, “You also are one of them.” “Man, I am not!” Ewan replied. About an hour later another asserted, “Certainly this fellow was with him, for he is a Victorian from an undisclosed location.”

Ewan replied, “Man, I don’t know what you’re talking about!” Just as he was speaking, Bill’s website was shut down. Bill turned and looked straight at Ewan. Then Ewan remembered the things that Bill had spoken of in his blog: “I expect one day the thought police will come knocking on my door, demanding that I close down this website.” And he went outside and wept bitterly.

:)

Luke 22:54-62

Duane Proud

]]> By: Ewan http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2008/06/10/how-free-is-the-free-west/comment-page-1/#comment-80323 Ewan Tue, 10 Jun 2008 12:29:24 +0000 http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2008/06/10/how-free-is-the-free-west/#comment-80323 All this is happening before our very eyes and yet most of the church sleeps on regardless either denying there is a problem or else totally oblivious that there is one. Ewan McDonald, (from an undisclosed location somewhere in Victoria lest after knocking on Bill's door the thought police come after those of us who agree with him!). All this is happening before our very eyes and yet most of the church sleeps on regardless either denying there is a problem or else totally oblivious that there is one.

Ewan McDonald, (from an undisclosed location somewhere in Victoria lest after knocking on Bill’s door the thought police come after those of us who agree with him!).

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