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		<title>By: Bill Muehlenberg</title>
		<link>http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2008/03/02/marching-with-the-10-rebs/comment-page-1/#comment-66799</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Muehlenberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Mar 2008 07:46:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks David

But sorry, I’m not buying your argument. It is typical liberalism – theological and political. To be consistent David, you and the Revs should be marching in a money changers march, apologising for Jesus’ treatment of the money changers. He was certainly intolerant, judgmental and unloving there, wasn’t he?

Indeed, will you be marching arm in arm with capitalist pigs, rightwing racists, conservative dictators and multinational oppressors, and apologise for how they have been treated by the church? Somehow I don’t think so. 

But not only should you be marching in solidarity with them, but also with the porn stars, paedophiles, sado-masochists, and so on. Sorry, you have turned the gospel on its head, and perverted it. Jesus identified with sinners, yes, but always with a view to setting them free of their bondage by means of repentance. He would never glorify and promote sexual exhibitionism and debauchery.

Bill Muehlenberg, CultureWatch</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks David</p>
<p>But sorry, I’m not buying your argument. It is typical liberalism – theological and political. To be consistent David, you and the Revs should be marching in a money changers march, apologising for Jesus’ treatment of the money changers. He was certainly intolerant, judgmental and unloving there, wasn’t he?</p>
<p>Indeed, will you be marching arm in arm with capitalist pigs, rightwing racists, conservative dictators and multinational oppressors, and apologise for how they have been treated by the church? Somehow I don’t think so. </p>
<p>But not only should you be marching in solidarity with them, but also with the porn stars, paedophiles, sado-masochists, and so on. Sorry, you have turned the gospel on its head, and perverted it. Jesus identified with sinners, yes, but always with a view to setting them free of their bondage by means of repentance. He would never glorify and promote sexual exhibitionism and debauchery.</p>
<p>Bill Muehlenberg, CultureWatch</p>
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		<title>By: David Esdaile</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Esdaile</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Mar 2008 03:52:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;We have been awfully intolerant, bigoted, narrow-minded and judgmental.&quot; At least with that I agree, Bill. I wouldn&#039;t have marched in the Gay and Lesbian Mardi Gras, but I&#039;ve spoken to one of the Revs you pillory so vehemently, and I understand why he was marching. Homeosexuals are constantly on the receiving end of mouth-frothing invective from &quot;Christians&quot; and this erects a barrier to communication that is very difficult to overcome. To be able to be taken seriously and even allow the dialog to begin takes a great deal of compassionate understanding and preparedness to enter their world exactly as Christ entered ours. Our Lord and master was pilloried by the religious establishment for consorting with sinners and quislings. I&#039;m not surprised that it&#039;s happening again.
David Esdaile</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;We have been awfully intolerant, bigoted, narrow-minded and judgmental.&#8221; At least with that I agree, Bill. I wouldn&#8217;t have marched in the Gay and Lesbian Mardi Gras, but I&#8217;ve spoken to one of the Revs you pillory so vehemently, and I understand why he was marching. Homeosexuals are constantly on the receiving end of mouth-frothing invective from &#8220;Christians&#8221; and this erects a barrier to communication that is very difficult to overcome. To be able to be taken seriously and even allow the dialog to begin takes a great deal of compassionate understanding and preparedness to enter their world exactly as Christ entered ours. Our Lord and master was pilloried by the religious establishment for consorting with sinners and quislings. I&#8217;m not surprised that it&#8217;s happening again.<br />
David Esdaile</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Muehlenberg</title>
		<link>http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2008/03/02/marching-with-the-10-rebs/comment-page-1/#comment-64628</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Muehlenberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 10:51:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Stan

Yes there are. My own website contains many articles dealing with these sorts of issues. The truth is out there, it’s just that much of the MSM does a good job of making sure that truth is suppressed or undermined. Hopefully soon I will have a book out on all this.

Bill Muehlenberg, CultureWatch</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Stan</p>
<p>Yes there are. My own website contains many articles dealing with these sorts of issues. The truth is out there, it’s just that much of the MSM does a good job of making sure that truth is suppressed or undermined. Hopefully soon I will have a book out on all this.</p>
<p>Bill Muehlenberg, CultureWatch</p>
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		<title>By: Stan Fishley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stan Fishley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 10:17:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is there any analysis of the many things claimed to be positive about same sex unions? It seems to be the case that it is hard to find truth in any of these claims, eg., the numbers attending the Sydney Mardi Gras; longterm exclusive relationships; being born that way, etc.
Stan Fishley</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is there any analysis of the many things claimed to be positive about same sex unions? It seems to be the case that it is hard to find truth in any of these claims, eg., the numbers attending the Sydney Mardi Gras; longterm exclusive relationships; being born that way, etc.<br />
Stan Fishley</p>
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		<title>By: Damien</title>
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		<dc:creator>Damien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Mar 2008 20:40:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bill

Hard hitting article. Needed to be said though. 

Thanks so much for having the guts to take a strong moral stand on this issue!

Damien Spillane</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill</p>
<p>Hard hitting article. Needed to be said though. </p>
<p>Thanks so much for having the guts to take a strong moral stand on this issue!</p>
<p>Damien Spillane</p>
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		<title>By: david skinner</title>
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		<dc:creator>david skinner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Mar 2008 20:38:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All this tosh about the gay contingent being inclusive is plain lies, just like all the other lies that they are victimised and looking for lasting personal relationships, or that they eschew violence.

The church certainly should be and in many cases is inclusive and welcoming of all, but this is not because the church has suddenly matured and caught up with the 21st century, accepting a smorgasbord menu of sexual preferences;  it is in spite of the sinfulness of the heavy laiden. The task of the church is to facilitate recycling people off the rubbish dump and to rebuilding them so that they begin to reflect the holy character of God. Those who don’t want to repent and change are welcome to leave. To stay and insist that it is us who must change to their way of thinking deserves only one response. On your bike! But to suggest that the gay contingent (please do not let us call it a community along the lines of a race or ethnic community) are cohesive and compassionate flies in the face of the evidence. Apart from the violence and bitching that goes on within its ranks, it is prepared to hold up for public ridicule and exclusion anyone who disagrees with their anarchist ideology:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=445966&amp;in_p age_id=1770 (Stonewall involvement in this case of Bishop of Hereford.)
http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-5946.html  ( bigot of the year).

Does anyone seriously believe that either the Bishop of Hereford or the Archbishop of Birmingham (another nominee for bigot of the year award because he has chosen to shut down Catholic adoption agencies rather than hand children over to homosexuals) would have received an understanding and  compassionate welcome at this glittering and sweaty, star - studded event? Even without the Christian having to argue the case against homosexuality along religious lines, there is plenty of evidence to show that encouraging our children to find out which sexual preference they feel most comfortable with - whether it be it homosexuality, paedophilia, necrophilia, polyamory, bestiality or even sex with a bike (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/10/26/nsex126.xml&amp;CMP=ILC-mostviewedbox ) - is not a good idea. Let the evidence speak for itself:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/showbiz/showbiznews.html?in_article_id=506197&amp;in_page_id=1773 (Kevin greening - risks and drugs and the face of homosexuality)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/health/tv_and_radio/secretlife_documentary.shtml  (bi-polar depression)
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=449526&amp;in_page_id=1766&amp;ito=1490  (suicide of Garry Frisch)
http://www.tht.org.uk/informationresources/publications/gaymengerneralinformation/bottomlinethirdedition124.pdf  (Terrance Higgins Trust and its dream for our children)
http://www.frc.org/get.cfm?i=IS04C02  (negative side effects of homosexuality)

Finally in the same way that Islam does not want to be integrated but rather insists that it is the “Christian populace” that should become Muslim, so it is with the gay brigade. Frankly they are not interested in becoming integrated with us, the bourgeoisie. When the gay community are offered marriage there is not exactly a stampede. The evidence shows that marriage does not suit the gay life-style. What they want is the acceptance and recognition, the goods and services associated with marriage but not the essential nature of it. But it is heterosexual-like marriage which is easiest to sell to the wider heterosexual community. 
Even those who do want marriage - especially gay men - tend not to see a need to restrict their sexual activity to their menage. They deeply resent the homophobic implications of a negative view of homosexual practices which don’t mirror conventional heterosexual marriage practice. ‘Freed of the constraints of marriage, gays are presently free to explore guiltless pleasures of sexual abandonment … Some gays worry that the marriage license will deprive them of their avant-garde status. Instead they’ll become retrograde, tarnished imitations of the bourgeois coupling they hold in contempt. The monogamous, heterosexual marriage  does not fit in with a homosexual  lifestyle which in their own  view is at the very cutting edge of modern , progressive 21st century , technological , post modern life.. A characteristic of the homosexual outfit  is its love of risk, abandonment, shock and rebellion. One only has to attend the grotesque, leering, mocking and strutting spectacle of gay pride and Mardis Gras exhibitionism to be suddenly seized by an overwhelming desire to have a bath or shower.&#039;
The only obstacle, as it is with Islam, to the homosexual agenda is the Bible and the Christian holding it. It will therefore become imperative to go beyond integration to coercion, public humiliation, loss of jobs, fines and finally imprisonment for anyone who dares even to raise an eyebrow. Next up for Australia will be homophobic hatred laws. They are probably already printed.

David Skineer, UK</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All this tosh about the gay contingent being inclusive is plain lies, just like all the other lies that they are victimised and looking for lasting personal relationships, or that they eschew violence.</p>
<p>The church certainly should be and in many cases is inclusive and welcoming of all, but this is not because the church has suddenly matured and caught up with the 21st century, accepting a smorgasbord menu of sexual preferences;  it is in spite of the sinfulness of the heavy laiden. The task of the church is to facilitate recycling people off the rubbish dump and to rebuilding them so that they begin to reflect the holy character of God. Those who don’t want to repent and change are welcome to leave. To stay and insist that it is us who must change to their way of thinking deserves only one response. On your bike! But to suggest that the gay contingent (please do not let us call it a community along the lines of a race or ethnic community) are cohesive and compassionate flies in the face of the evidence. Apart from the violence and bitching that goes on within its ranks, it is prepared to hold up for public ridicule and exclusion anyone who disagrees with their anarchist ideology:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=445966&#038;in_p" rel="nofollow">www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=445966&#038;in_p</a> age_id=1770 (Stonewall involvement in this case of Bishop of Hereford.)<br />
<a href="http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-5946.html" rel="nofollow">www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-5946.html</a>  ( bigot of the year).</p>
<p>Does anyone seriously believe that either the Bishop of Hereford or the Archbishop of Birmingham (another nominee for bigot of the year award because he has chosen to shut down Catholic adoption agencies rather than hand children over to homosexuals) would have received an understanding and  compassionate welcome at this glittering and sweaty, star &#8211; studded event? Even without the Christian having to argue the case against homosexuality along religious lines, there is plenty of evidence to show that encouraging our children to find out which sexual preference they feel most comfortable with &#8211; whether it be it homosexuality, paedophilia, necrophilia, polyamory, bestiality or even sex with a bike (<a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/10/26/nsex126.xml&#038;CMP=ILC-mostviewedbox" rel="nofollow">www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/10/26/nsex126.xml&#038;CMP=ILC-mostviewedbox</a> ) &#8211; is not a good idea. Let the evidence speak for itself:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/showbiz/showbiznews.html?in_article_id=506197&#038;in_page_id=1773" rel="nofollow">www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/showbiz/showbiznews.html?in_article_id=506197&#038;in_page_id=1773</a> (Kevin greening &#8211; risks and drugs and the face of homosexuality)<br />
<a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/health/tv_and_radio/secretlife_documentary.shtml" rel="nofollow">www.bbc.co.uk/health/tv_and_radio/secretlife_documentary.shtml</a>  (bi-polar depression)<br />
<a href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=449526&#038;in_page_id=1766&#038;ito=1490" rel="nofollow">www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=449526&#038;in_page_id=1766&#038;ito=1490</a>  (suicide of Garry Frisch)<br />
<a href="http://www.tht.org.uk/informationresources/publications/gaymengerneralinformation/bottomlinethirdedition124.pdf" rel="nofollow">www.tht.org.uk/informationresources/publications/gaymengerneralinformation/bottomlinethirdedition124.pdf</a>  (Terrance Higgins Trust and its dream for our children)<br />
<a href="http://www.frc.org/get.cfm?i=IS04C02" rel="nofollow">www.frc.org/get.cfm?i=IS04C02</a>  (negative side effects of homosexuality)</p>
<p>Finally in the same way that Islam does not want to be integrated but rather insists that it is the “Christian populace” that should become Muslim, so it is with the gay brigade. Frankly they are not interested in becoming integrated with us, the bourgeoisie. When the gay community are offered marriage there is not exactly a stampede. The evidence shows that marriage does not suit the gay life-style. What they want is the acceptance and recognition, the goods and services associated with marriage but not the essential nature of it. But it is heterosexual-like marriage which is easiest to sell to the wider heterosexual community.<br />
Even those who do want marriage &#8211; especially gay men &#8211; tend not to see a need to restrict their sexual activity to their menage. They deeply resent the homophobic implications of a negative view of homosexual practices which don’t mirror conventional heterosexual marriage practice. ‘Freed of the constraints of marriage, gays are presently free to explore guiltless pleasures of sexual abandonment … Some gays worry that the marriage license will deprive them of their avant-garde status. Instead they’ll become retrograde, tarnished imitations of the bourgeois coupling they hold in contempt. The monogamous, heterosexual marriage  does not fit in with a homosexual  lifestyle which in their own  view is at the very cutting edge of modern , progressive 21st century , technological , post modern life.. A characteristic of the homosexual outfit  is its love of risk, abandonment, shock and rebellion. One only has to attend the grotesque, leering, mocking and strutting spectacle of gay pride and Mardis Gras exhibitionism to be suddenly seized by an overwhelming desire to have a bath or shower.&#8217;<br />
The only obstacle, as it is with Islam, to the homosexual agenda is the Bible and the Christian holding it. It will therefore become imperative to go beyond integration to coercion, public humiliation, loss of jobs, fines and finally imprisonment for anyone who dares even to raise an eyebrow. Next up for Australia will be homophobic hatred laws. They are probably already printed.</p>
<p>David Skineer, UK</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen White</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen White</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Mar 2008 10:43:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes and once again MSM regail us with what a great event it was.  ICHABOD
Stephen White</description>
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Stephen White</p>
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