Comments on: Islamisation versus Christendom

By: Patricia Halligan

Patricia Halligan — Tue, 30 Dec 2008 11:45:06 +0000

Dear Bill, The above article is very informative and I always learn a lot from all of them. After my Christmas crib was trashed I wrote to the local paper who replied promptly and came up to take a photo of the damage. I am hoping they will print my letter as well because in it I said that because of the false theory of indifferentism – the belief that it doesn’t matter what you believe as long as you do good – parents no longer bother to teach their children to honour sacred objects because they rarely see any. I said that Australia would one day pay for this sloppy attitude towards their own Christian Culture because widespread indifferentism, combined with the constant media undermining of Christianity and its clergy, immigration and the low birth rate would, probably in fifty years, leave Australia very vulnerable to Islamic influences.They will not always be a small minority as they have many children.They are also very devout and will proselytise amongst the unchurched. Islam is also a political system as well as a religion and their immans politicise their faithful. I said Islamic influences were already well advanced in Britain and Europe with converts to Islam from the indigenous populations simply because they have been brought up devoid of any kind of spirituality and seen Islam attractive as some of it undoubtedly would be to those brought up without anything. It will happen in time and I have to say it will have been deserved because most were not faithful to their own Christian culture. You can’t call singing carols once a year or becoming dewy eyed when the offspring takes part in being a shepherd or an angel once a year at a school nativity play – that is if they are allowed to have one – being a committed Christian. It has to be worked at. All the above I tell my friends and I hope they will ‘harden not [their] hearts’ if I keep plugging this message. God Bless always.
Pat Halligan

By: Ewan

Ewan — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 13:30:05 +0000

Another important difference between Christianity and Islam that is relevant regarding how each would govern a society, is that Christianity teaches non-compulsion in religious matters whereas Islam is to be spread by reason or force. So a society governed by sharia cannot have religious freedom but in a Christian society religious freedom is respected.

Ewan McDonald, Victoria.

By: Jonathan Sarfati

Jonathan Sarfati — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 03:58:29 +0000

The Apostasy Fatwas and ‘A Common Word Between Us and You’ By Mark Durie: "A Common Word Between Us and You is an open letter from the Royal Aal al-Bayt Institute for Islamic Thought of Jordan. Dated 13 October 2007. It is addressed to the Pope, and other Christian leaders throughout the world, and is signed by 138 Muslims leaders from around the world. This letter invites Christians to agree together with Muslims on principles of love for God and one’s neighbour, emphasising justice and freedom of religion." "These notes here document how the Royal Aal Al-Bayt Institute has several fatwas ‘legal verdicts or edicts' posted on its website, which condemn people to death who have left Islam, specifically including Muslim-background Christians. If they are not killed, then these so-called ‘apostates’ are to be treated as legal non-persons, having no rights before the law. One of the fatwas identifies a Jordanian Christian man by name as an apostate." "There is a contradiction in the actions of the Royal Aal al-Bayt’s. On the one hand the Institute is inviting Christians to come together with Muslims based on principles of love and mutual respect, but on the other hand it is condemning Christians to death simply because they have changed their religious beliefs away from Islam. This contradiction and lack of reciprocity should be pointed out by Christians in interfaith dialogue with Muslims; the Aal al-Bayt Institute should be requested to remove such hate-inciting statements from its website; and Christians who have signed letters welcoming the ‘Common Word’ letter without reservation should withdraw their signatures." Jonathan Sarfati, Brisbane

By: Garth Penglase

Garth Penglase — Thu, 14 Feb 2008 23:26:03 +0000

Great article Bill.

Examples of the way that Muslims (not extremists, but everyday believers in Islamic countries) see this working in their lives and the lives of their families can be seen in the torture and mutilation of daughters by their fathers, or the beating, stoning and killing of sons when they turn from Islam, or sometimes simply for attending a Christian meeting.

So many people who choose to disagree with Islam in these countries live in hiding, in fear of their lives being taken by the very people they’d expect to preserve them – their families and their religious leaders.

www.opendoorsusa.org/content/view/449/
www.opendoorsusa.org/content/view/426/21/

When Akil’s Muslim father found out, he drove Akil into the desert with his brother and two bearded men in white robes. The men beat Akil harshly. Then they tied a rope around Akil’s legs and dragged him from the back of the car around the desert.

Eventually the car stopped, and while the bearded men went to the trunk of the car, Akil’s brother cut the rope and said, “Run!” He had realized the men were getting their knives to kill his brother. So Akil gathered all his strength and ran for his life. Akil has been living in hiding ever since.

There are many other examples of countries run by atheists, communists, etc. that do the same thing as Muslims to their citizens. North Korea, Columbia, Burma, Sudan, Angola etc. etc. the list goes on. With so many examples, I just don’t see how people can argue against the preservation of the Judeo-christian foundations of freedom and law that our Western nations have been built upon. They are living in ignorance of what happens outside our borders.

www.opendoorsusa.org/content/view/447/

If you want more proof of the violence and death visited upon people who live under Islam and other oppressive regimes please visit:

www.opendoorsusa.org/
www.persecutionblog.com/

I just don’t understand why so many people in Western nations champion the cause of integration of the belief systems of other countries and religions. We seem to be falling over ourselves to apologise for everything that has made us great and free, while welcoming intruders in their struggle to take over our educational, legal and political systems with their extreme ideologies. Do they have have their eyes and ears closed to the horrors that continually occur worldwide in the nations where these Islamic intruders come from? Can they not see from fairly recent history the immense loss of life and damage that has been done in Russia, Germany, China etc. by humanist thinking? When will people wake up?

By: Arthur Hartwig

Arthur Hartwig — Thu, 14 Feb 2008 11:50:21 +0000

Will those who wish to keep all semblance of the Judeo-Christian religion as proclaimed out of the public domain, please indicate how much theft, lying, adultery, killing, and self-serving, is desirable in the would be leaders of our Nation? Does relevant legislation before various State Parliaments give a clear indication of the answers?
Arthur Hartwig

By: Jon Newton

Jon Newton — Thu, 14 Feb 2008 07:33:53 +0000

Good argument Bill.
I have been wrestling for some time with the question of church and state and the need for a religious foundation for society without slipping into Islamic style theocracy. Is the idea of a Christian nation coherent, for example? It’s the old tussle between, say, Reformed Christianity (e.g. recent Reconstructionists) and the Anabaptists. But reading recently about pressures for India to become a Hindu, not secular, country, makes me see the issue from a different perspective. It’s not only Islam that discriminates actively against Christians; on a recent trip to Myanmar, I encountered it from Buddhists.
Jon Newton