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		<title>By: Garth Penglase</title>
		<link>http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2008/02/01/making-men-redundant-and-harming-our-children/comment-page-1/#comment-59371</link>
		<dc:creator>Garth Penglase</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 12:01:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The women&#039;s lib movement has a real lot to answer for in eroding the worth and importance of men in society. While most people (Muslim hardliners excluded) would probably agree that it is a good thing for women to their value in society recognised and &#039;celebrated&#039;, it has pushed way beyond that brief to include &lt;acronym title=&quot;In Vitro Fertilisation&quot;&gt;IVF&lt;/acronym&gt; for lesbians, single mothers by choice, and the reduction of the male portrait to &quot;hairy, smelly, lazy, disruptive, violent and generally rather a bad thing&quot; as Minette Marrin puts it in her incisive article from a liberated yet realistic woman&#039;s perspective. She, like the vast majority of females know that they need men, that we need each other, and that each brings  specific attributes and qualities that are particular to each sex and specially required for a correctly functioning family.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/minette_marrin/article2937002.ece

Garth Penglase</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The women&#8217;s lib movement has a real lot to answer for in eroding the worth and importance of men in society. While most people (Muslim hardliners excluded) would probably agree that it is a good thing for women to their value in society recognised and &#8216;celebrated&#8217;, it has pushed way beyond that brief to include <acronym title="In Vitro Fertilisation">IVF</acronym> for lesbians, single mothers by choice, and the reduction of the male portrait to &#8220;hairy, smelly, lazy, disruptive, violent and generally rather a bad thing&#8221; as Minette Marrin puts it in her incisive article from a liberated yet realistic woman&#8217;s perspective. She, like the vast majority of females know that they need men, that we need each other, and that each brings  specific attributes and qualities that are particular to each sex and specially required for a correctly functioning family.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/minette_marrin/article2937002.ece" rel="nofollow">www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/minette_marrin/article2937002.ece</a></p>
<p>Garth Penglase</p>
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		<title>By: Garth Penglase</title>
		<link>http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2008/02/01/making-men-redundant-and-harming-our-children/comment-page-1/#comment-58832</link>
		<dc:creator>Garth Penglase</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 04:34:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are many fronts on which our children&#039;s welfare is being assaulted. The family is the foundation of our society and a war is being waged at every level against it. Unfortunately, that war rages on inside Christian churches as well. I have moved from a supposedly &#039;spirit-filled and focused&#039; church that supports (as I found out - even recommends) the liberal notion of separation and remarriage (&quot;not God&#039;s best but acceptable through the grace of God where there&#039;s &#039;too much water under the bridge&#039;&quot;) to one that is Christ-centred and family-focused. The  differences in attitudes toward marriage and family are vast. While one accepts an attitude of justification for breaking up families for a happier life for one or both spouses the other proposes unyielding forgiveness, commitment to the marriage covenant and restoration. ie. &#039;until death do us part&#039; (what a novel concept!) for the happiness of all.

It breaks my heart to see so many families and children&#039;s lives torn apart by needless separation and divorce, the irony being that if the estranged couples put half the time and effort into &#039;sorting themselves out&#039; and the restoration of their relationship as they do in separating and trying to build what they had with someone else, there would be very few divorces, much more joy, and significantly less social problems such as those outlined in your article. In an era where as much or possibly more divorce happens within the church than outside I think this would be a great place to start.

I strongly recommend http://www.elijahhouse.com.au from this perspective.

Garth Penglase</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are many fronts on which our children&#8217;s welfare is being assaulted. The family is the foundation of our society and a war is being waged at every level against it. Unfortunately, that war rages on inside Christian churches as well. I have moved from a supposedly &#8216;spirit-filled and focused&#8217; church that supports (as I found out &#8211; even recommends) the liberal notion of separation and remarriage (&#8220;not God&#8217;s best but acceptable through the grace of God where there&#8217;s &#8216;too much water under the bridge&#8217;&#8221;) to one that is Christ-centred and family-focused. The  differences in attitudes toward marriage and family are vast. While one accepts an attitude of justification for breaking up families for a happier life for one or both spouses the other proposes unyielding forgiveness, commitment to the marriage covenant and restoration. ie. &#8216;until death do us part&#8217; (what a novel concept!) for the happiness of all.</p>
<p>It breaks my heart to see so many families and children&#8217;s lives torn apart by needless separation and divorce, the irony being that if the estranged couples put half the time and effort into &#8216;sorting themselves out&#8217; and the restoration of their relationship as they do in separating and trying to build what they had with someone else, there would be very few divorces, much more joy, and significantly less social problems such as those outlined in your article. In an era where as much or possibly more divorce happens within the church than outside I think this would be a great place to start.</p>
<p>I strongly recommend <a href="http://www.elijahhouse.com.au" rel="nofollow">www.elijahhouse.com.au</a> from this perspective.</p>
<p>Garth Penglase</p>
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		<title>By: david skinner</title>
		<link>http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2008/02/01/making-men-redundant-and-harming-our-children/comment-page-1/#comment-57330</link>
		<dc:creator>david skinner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2008 10:00:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Bill, the steps leading to this fatherless world for our children is being marked out by the UK Secretary of State for Education, a gentleman by the name of Ed Balls. 
Teachers should not assume that their pupils have a &quot;mum and dad&quot; under guidance aimed at tackling anti-gay bullying in schools. It says primary pupils as young as four should be familiarised with the idea of same-sex couples to help combat homophobic attitudes. Teachers should attempt to avoid assumptions that pupils will have a conventional family Pupils are enlisted in the war on homophobiaIt goes on to suggest the word &quot;parents&quot; may be more appropriate than &quot;mum and dad&quot;, particularly in letters and emails to the child&#039;s home. 
When discussing marriage with secondary pupils, teachers should also educate pupils about civil partnerships and gay adoption rights. The guidance - produced for the Government by gay rights group Stonewall - will be formally launched today by Schools Secretary Ed Balls. 
I believe that we are approaching a time when to save our children we will not be involved in just a spiritual war but one of flesh and blood also.
David Skinner, UK</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Bill, the steps leading to this fatherless world for our children is being marked out by the UK Secretary of State for Education, a gentleman by the name of Ed Balls.<br />
Teachers should not assume that their pupils have a &#8220;mum and dad&#8221; under guidance aimed at tackling anti-gay bullying in schools. It says primary pupils as young as four should be familiarised with the idea of same-sex couples to help combat homophobic attitudes. Teachers should attempt to avoid assumptions that pupils will have a conventional family Pupils are enlisted in the war on homophobiaIt goes on to suggest the word &#8220;parents&#8221; may be more appropriate than &#8220;mum and dad&#8221;, particularly in letters and emails to the child&#8217;s home.<br />
When discussing marriage with secondary pupils, teachers should also educate pupils about civil partnerships and gay adoption rights. The guidance &#8211; produced for the Government by gay rights group Stonewall &#8211; will be formally launched today by Schools Secretary Ed Balls.<br />
I believe that we are approaching a time when to save our children we will not be involved in just a spiritual war but one of flesh and blood also.<br />
David Skinner, UK</p>
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		<title>By: Dee</title>
		<link>http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2008/02/01/making-men-redundant-and-harming-our-children/comment-page-1/#comment-57303</link>
		<dc:creator>Dee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2008 08:06:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is no less than a huge, arrogant slap in the face of God by humankind.  It makes me physically sick to my stomach.  Are men redundant?  Heavens, no!  Would I want to live in an all woman world?  Not in my wildest nightmares.  
I&#039;m linking to you, Bill.
Dee Graf</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is no less than a huge, arrogant slap in the face of God by humankind.  It makes me physically sick to my stomach.  Are men redundant?  Heavens, no!  Would I want to live in an all woman world?  Not in my wildest nightmares.<br />
I&#8217;m linking to you, Bill.<br />
Dee Graf</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Roberts</title>
		<link>http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2008/02/01/making-men-redundant-and-harming-our-children/comment-page-1/#comment-57202</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Roberts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Feb 2008 23:36:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Bill,

Thanks for your work on this blog in raising awareness to such issues.

Andrew Roberts</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Bill,</p>
<p>Thanks for your work on this blog in raising awareness to such issues.</p>
<p>Andrew Roberts</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Muehlenberg</title>
		<link>http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2008/02/01/making-men-redundant-and-harming-our-children/comment-page-1/#comment-57197</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Muehlenberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Feb 2008 23:17:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thnaks Andrew
One referenced version of my paper on fatherlessness can be found here: http://www.ausheart.com.au/fathers/fatherlessness/factsheet-full.rtf 
Bill Muehlenberg, CultureWatch</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thnaks Andrew<br />
One referenced version of my paper on fatherlessness can be found here: <a href="http://www.ausheart.com.au/fathers/fatherlessness/factsheet-full.rtf" rel="nofollow">www.ausheart.com.au/fathers/fatherlessness/factsheet-full.rtf</a><br />
Bill Muehlenberg, CultureWatch</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Roberts</title>
		<link>http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2008/02/01/making-men-redundant-and-harming-our-children/comment-page-1/#comment-57186</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Roberts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Feb 2008 22:00:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi,
Do you have any urls or references for the research cited.  That would be very helpful.
Thanks, Andrew Roberts</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi,<br />
Do you have any urls or references for the research cited.  That would be very helpful.<br />
Thanks, Andrew Roberts</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Rice</title>
		<link>http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2008/02/01/making-men-redundant-and-harming-our-children/comment-page-1/#comment-56825</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Rice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Feb 2008 00:10:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good luck to the mice, they must look after mice things. But humanity has much more responsibility and if femininity wishes to go it alone they will have a brave new world to contend with. However, the human male sperm carries half the characteristics of the male/female union as well as the genealogies of each family involved. What an exciting complex mystery it is when the product arrives and how great is the need for the protecting father figure. One wonders what the female/female product would be? 
To me the great poem by Thomas Hardy &quot;Hereditary&quot; spell it out: 
          I am the family face
          Flesh perishes, I live on
          Projecting trait and trace
          Through time to time anon,
          and leaping from place to place
               Over oblivion

          The years-heired features can
          In curve and voice and Eye
          Despise the human span
          Of durance - that is I;
          The eternal thing in man
          That heeds no call to die

Peter Rice</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good luck to the mice, they must look after mice things. But humanity has much more responsibility and if femininity wishes to go it alone they will have a brave new world to contend with. However, the human male sperm carries half the characteristics of the male/female union as well as the genealogies of each family involved. What an exciting complex mystery it is when the product arrives and how great is the need for the protecting father figure. One wonders what the female/female product would be?<br />
To me the great poem by Thomas Hardy &#8220;Hereditary&#8221; spell it out:<br />
          I am the family face<br />
          Flesh perishes, I live on<br />
          Projecting trait and trace<br />
          Through time to time anon,<br />
          and leaping from place to place<br />
               Over oblivion</p>
<p>          The years-heired features can<br />
          In curve and voice and Eye<br />
          Despise the human span<br />
          Of durance &#8211; that is I;<br />
          The eternal thing in man<br />
          That heeds no call to die</p>
<p>Peter Rice</p>
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