Comments on: A review of Darwin Day in America. By John West. http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2008/01/30/a-review-of-darwin-day-in-america-by-john-west/ Bill Muehlenberg's commentary on issues of the day... Sat, 11 Feb 2012 11:39:05 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Jonathan Sarfati http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2008/01/30/a-review-of-darwin-day-in-america-by-john-west/comment-page-1/#comment-58824 Jonathan Sarfati Mon, 11 Feb 2008 03:36:58 +0000 http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2008/01/30/a-review-of-darwin-day-in-america-by-john-west/#comment-58824 Thanx, Mr Kontinen. You might be interested in our <a href="http://www.creationontheweb.com/content/category/9/268/109/" rel="nofollow">Finnish articles</a> and also the Finnish translation of <i>Creation</i> magazine, which as you probably guessed is called Luominen, available from http://www.luominen.fi/. You're right about evolutionists getting upset at the slightest challenge to their intellectual monopoly. Even the US National Academy of Sciences gets into the act with its updated new booklet, <i>Science, Evolution and Creationism</i> — see <a href="http://www.creationontheweb.com/content/view/5620/" rel="nofollow">detailed refutation</a>. Jonathan Sarfati, Brisbane Thanx, Mr Kontinen. You might be interested in our Finnish articles and also the Finnish translation of Creation magazine, which as you probably guessed is called Luominen, available from www.luominen.fi/.

You’re right about evolutionists getting upset at the slightest challenge to their intellectual monopoly. Even the US National Academy of Sciences gets into the act with its updated new booklet, Science, Evolution and Creationism — see detailed refutation.

Jonathan Sarfati, Brisbane

]]> By: david skinner http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2008/01/30/a-review-of-darwin-day-in-america-by-john-west/comment-page-1/#comment-57618 david skinner Tue, 05 Feb 2008 13:00:32 +0000 http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2008/01/30/a-review-of-darwin-day-in-america-by-john-west/#comment-57618 Thank you Jonathan for your article. In Britain there are moves to remove the blasphemy laws; this is seconded by the Church of England! But as your article points out, the only reason we should respect other human beings is precisely because we respect the God who created us. It is because we are created in His image, that to sin against another human being, as David said in Psalm 51, is to sin against God. Homosexual lobby groups, like Stonewall, to control the British government have to first clear the decks of any last vestige of Christianity. They and the Joint Council for Equality and Human Rights, at whose table the chief executive of Stonewall, Ben Summerskill sits, claim that the Christian faith is founded on myth and not only that discriminates against homosexuals. Whilst claiming all the time to speak for impartiality and equality, Summerskill claims that evolutionary humanism is the absolute truth and is making great strides to getting it imposed in schools. The truth is that this is the absolute and iron rule of an oppressive ideology, that can only be enforced through fear and inquisition. I heard on the news recently that there is a huge drop in voluntary work. This apparently is put down to too much red tape. May I suggest, however, that, as night follows day, this is as a result of a government that has replaced the Christian belief that humans are responsible for their actions with the belief that we are machines whose every thought and action needs to be manipulated and controlled from a central source. The consequence is that trust and voluntary action are fast disappearing. Adoption agencies, old people’s homes, youth hostels and clubs - in fact a great swathe of charitable and voluntary organisations that are the fruit of Christian ideology - are already being forced to close down, just so that homosexuals have a clear field to satiate their appetites. David Skinner, UK Thank you Jonathan for your article. In Britain there are moves to remove the blasphemy laws; this is seconded by the Church of England! But as your article points out, the only reason we should respect other human beings is precisely because we respect the God who created us. It is because we are created in His image, that to sin against another human being, as David said in Psalm 51, is to sin against God.

Homosexual lobby groups, like Stonewall, to control the British government have to first clear the decks of any last vestige of Christianity. They and the Joint Council for Equality and Human Rights, at whose table the chief executive of Stonewall, Ben Summerskill sits, claim that the Christian faith is founded on myth and not only that discriminates against homosexuals. Whilst claiming all the time to speak for impartiality and equality, Summerskill claims that evolutionary humanism is the absolute truth and is making great strides to getting it imposed in schools. The truth is that this is the absolute and iron rule of an oppressive ideology, that can only be enforced through fear and inquisition.

I heard on the news recently that there is a huge drop in voluntary work. This apparently is put down to too much red tape. May I suggest, however, that, as night follows day, this is as a result of a government that has replaced the Christian belief that humans are responsible for their actions with the belief that we are machines whose every thought and action needs to be manipulated and controlled from a central source. The consequence is that trust and voluntary action are fast disappearing.

Adoption agencies, old people’s homes, youth hostels and clubs – in fact a great swathe of charitable and voluntary organisations that are the fruit of Christian ideology – are already being forced to close down, just so that homosexuals have a clear field to satiate their appetites.

David Skinner, UK

]]> By: Joel Kontinen http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2008/01/30/a-review-of-darwin-day-in-america-by-john-west/comment-page-1/#comment-57578 Joel Kontinen Tue, 05 Feb 2008 09:24:52 +0000 http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2008/01/30/a-review-of-darwin-day-in-america-by-john-west/#comment-57578 Thank you, Dr. Sarfati. The point in my recent blog post was to show that evolutionists tend to get upset merely at the thought of any science publications that are critical of evolution. BTW, I subscribe to both Creation magazine and Journal of Creation and love reading them. Joel Kontinen, Finland Thank you, Dr. Sarfati. The point in my recent blog post was to show that evolutionists tend to get upset merely at the thought of any science publications that are critical of evolution. BTW, I subscribe to both Creation magazine and Journal of Creation and love reading them.

Joel Kontinen, Finland

]]> By: Jonathan Sarfati http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2008/01/30/a-review-of-darwin-day-in-america-by-john-west/comment-page-1/#comment-57218 Jonathan Sarfati Mon, 04 Feb 2008 01:43:03 +0000 http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2008/01/30/a-review-of-darwin-day-in-america-by-john-west/#comment-57218 Joel Kontinen, CMI has answered that Eurosocialist anticreationist agitprop: <a href="http://www.creationontheweb.com/content/view/5584/" rel="nofollow">When will Europe wake up? Council of Europe ‘condemns creationism’ (but it ought to reconsider where the ‘threat to human and civic rights’ is really coming from)</a>. BTW, the ARJ is just an online creationist journal; the <a href="http://www.creationontheweb.com/content/view/3873/" rel="nofollow"><i>Journal of Creation</i></a> is a proper print journal that has a proven history for over two decades. Jonathan Sarfati, Brisbane Joel Kontinen, CMI has answered that Eurosocialist anticreationist agitprop: When will Europe wake up? Council of Europe ‘condemns creationism’ (but it ought to reconsider where the ‘threat to human and civic rights’ is really coming from).

BTW, the ARJ is just an online creationist journal; the Journal of Creation is a proper print journal that has a proven history for over two decades.

Jonathan Sarfati, Brisbane

]]> By: Joel Kontinen http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2008/01/30/a-review-of-darwin-day-in-america-by-john-west/comment-page-1/#comment-56719 Joel Kontinen Fri, 01 Feb 2008 09:37:47 +0000 http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2008/01/30/a-review-of-darwin-day-in-america-by-john-west/#comment-56719 In light of what we know about the consequences of Darwinism it seems strange that recently the European Council issued an Orwellian statement, declaring that creationism (the term they apply to all kinds of criticisms of Darwinism), is a threat to human rights. This gives cause for a pertinent question: why should one's view of origins be bolstered by politics? Well, perhaps the scientific evidence is not altogether convincing. Joel Kontinen In light of what we know about the consequences of Darwinism it seems strange that recently the European Council issued an Orwellian statement, declaring that creationism (the term they apply to all kinds of criticisms of Darwinism), is a threat to human rights. This gives cause for a pertinent question: why should one’s view of origins be bolstered by politics? Well, perhaps the scientific evidence is not altogether convincing.
Joel Kontinen

]]> By: Stan Fishley http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2008/01/30/a-review-of-darwin-day-in-america-by-john-west/comment-page-1/#comment-56638 Stan Fishley Thu, 31 Jan 2008 23:07:38 +0000 http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2008/01/30/a-review-of-darwin-day-in-america-by-john-west/#comment-56638 Hi Bill, thanks for this most helpful post. Stan Fishley Hi Bill, thanks for this most helpful post.
Stan Fishley

]]> By: Damien http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2008/01/30/a-review-of-darwin-day-in-america-by-john-west/comment-page-1/#comment-56520 Damien Thu, 31 Jan 2008 06:43:12 +0000 http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2008/01/30/a-review-of-darwin-day-in-america-by-john-west/#comment-56520 Sounds like an interesting book. Echoes of Darwinism and naturalism can be found in the modern leftist movement. Their propensity to multiply causes instead of looking at agency and moral culpability is a legacy of naturalism. As I commented recently on a piece from John Kekes' book Against Liberalism 'Yes indeed, they believe in multiplying causes and not in morality. The liberals undying faith in the goodness of autonomous people prevents them from believing in true human wickedness and culpability. So evil is more a result of external causes and not the moral state of the individual or group. Compulsions from poverty, reilgion, past abuses or oppression force one to act in ways that they otherwise would not. So, for example, the state of modern American black ghettos are the legacy of white oppression in the form of racism and slavery.' http://www.themidnightsun.org/?p=1711#more-1711 Damien Spillane Sounds like an interesting book.

Echoes of Darwinism and naturalism can be found in the modern leftist movement. Their propensity to multiply causes instead of looking at agency and moral culpability is a legacy of naturalism. As I commented recently on a piece from John Kekes’ book Against Liberalism

‘Yes indeed, they believe in multiplying causes and not in morality. The liberals undying faith in the goodness of autonomous people prevents them from believing in true human wickedness and culpability. So evil is more a result of external causes and not the moral state of the individual or group. Compulsions from poverty, reilgion, past abuses or oppression force one to act in ways that they otherwise would not. So, for example, the state of modern American black ghettos are the legacy of white oppression in the form of racism and slavery.’

www.themidnightsun.org/?p=1711#more-1711

Damien Spillane

]]> By: Mathew Hamilton http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2008/01/30/a-review-of-darwin-day-in-america-by-john-west/comment-page-1/#comment-56391 Mathew Hamilton Wed, 30 Jan 2008 12:38:25 +0000 http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2008/01/30/a-review-of-darwin-day-in-america-by-john-west/#comment-56391 for any who are interested, Creation Ministries International are this year completing a christian 'wild-life' documentary, which has the specific aim of combating the sure influx of pro-Darwin/evolution media content that will hit the world early next year. 2009 will be the 150th anniversary of the publication of "The Origin of Species" as well as being the 200th anniversary of Charles Darwin's birth. Some detail about CMI's professionally produced film production can be viewed here: www.darwinfilm.com Mathew Hamilton for any who are interested, Creation Ministries International are this year completing a christian ‘wild-life’ documentary, which has the specific aim of combating the sure influx of pro-Darwin/evolution media content that will hit the world early next year.

2009 will be the 150th anniversary of the publication of “The Origin of Species” as well as being the 200th anniversary of Charles Darwin’s birth.

Some detail about CMI’s professionally produced film production can be viewed here: www.darwinfilm.com

Mathew Hamilton

]]> By: Ewan http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2008/01/30/a-review-of-darwin-day-in-america-by-john-west/comment-page-1/#comment-56364 Ewan Wed, 30 Jan 2008 08:23:04 +0000 http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2008/01/30/a-review-of-darwin-day-in-america-by-john-west/#comment-56364 Given the baneful effects Darwinistic thinking has had on the world it is a worry that much of the church continues to 'dance with the devil' so to speak by incorporating Darwin's ideas into it's theology. I refer specifically to <i>theistic evolution</i> which has captured whole denominations. When looking for answers as to why the church in the western world is loosing it's hold on the culture, one reason very obvious to me is that instead of resisting naturalistic science the church has accommodated to it. Ewan McDonald, Victoria. Given the baneful effects Darwinistic thinking has had on the world it is a worry that much of the church continues to ‘dance with the devil’ so to speak by incorporating Darwin’s ideas into it’s theology. I refer specifically to theistic evolution which has captured whole denominations. When looking for answers as to why the church in the western world is loosing it’s hold on the culture, one reason very obvious to me is that instead of resisting naturalistic science the church has accommodated to it.

Ewan McDonald, Victoria.

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