Comments on: The Bitter Fruit of the Coercive Utopians http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2007/10/30/the-bitter-fruit-of-the-coercive-utopians/ Bill Muehlenberg's commentary on issues of the day... Tue, 16 Mar 2010 11:56:57 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Garth Penglase http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2007/10/30/the-bitter-fruit-of-the-coercive-utopians/comment-page-1/#comment-42414 Garth Penglase Sun, 11 Nov 2007 05:40:13 +0000 http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2007/10/30/the-bitter-fruit-of-the-coercive-utopians/#comment-42414 Just in case people are not aware this is a very useful site when researching the differences between the parties from a moral stand point. http://australiavotes.org/ I am very concerned that Mr Rudd is little more than a 'poster boy' for the Labor left. I know that there are Christians on both sides in the major parties, but it seems to me that the Labor party is significantly behind in standing for Christian ethics, and Rudd seems to be surrounded by leftist politicians and union leaders. As stated elsewhere, Australia has examples in NZ and the UK of left governments quickly implementing anti-Christian laws and removing Christian freedoms. We must make a halt of this in Australia. Return the party that is best going to stand for our freedoms and God's commandments. This must be our top priority. Garth Penglase Just in case people are not aware this is a very useful site when researching the differences between the parties from a moral stand point. http://australiavotes.org/

I am very concerned that Mr Rudd is little more than a ‘poster boy’ for the Labor left. I know that there are Christians on both sides in the major parties, but it seems to me that the Labor party is significantly behind in standing for Christian ethics, and Rudd seems to be surrounded by leftist politicians and union leaders.

As stated elsewhere, Australia has examples in NZ and the UK of left governments quickly implementing anti-Christian laws and removing Christian freedoms.

We must make a halt of this in Australia. Return the party that is best going to stand for our freedoms and God’s commandments. This must be our top priority.

Garth Penglase

]]> By: Garth Penglase http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2007/10/30/the-bitter-fruit-of-the-coercive-utopians/comment-page-1/#comment-42413 Garth Penglase Sun, 11 Nov 2007 05:28:47 +0000 http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2007/10/30/the-bitter-fruit-of-the-coercive-utopians/#comment-42413 Thanks Ewan, the zombietime.com website is shocking, and a real eye-opener for me. I was horrified when the Australian flag was burnt during the Coogee debacle and felt it was quite justified for calling the young perpetrator (who subsequently apologised) to account for it. I am truly gob-smacked that there are so many US citizens raising their hateful voices against their own country and president, and with such vehemence and vitriol. Shame. Garth Penglase Thanks Ewan, the http://zombietime.com website is shocking, and a real eye-opener for me. I was horrified when the Australian flag was burnt during the Coogee debacle and felt it was quite justified for calling the young perpetrator (who subsequently apologised) to account for it. I am truly gob-smacked that there are so many US citizens raising their hateful voices against their own country and president, and with such vehemence and vitriol. Shame.
Garth Penglase

]]> By: Jonathan Sarfati http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2007/10/30/the-bitter-fruit-of-the-coercive-utopians/comment-page-1/#comment-40727 Jonathan Sarfati Fri, 02 Nov 2007 03:17:32 +0000 http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2007/10/30/the-bitter-fruit-of-the-coercive-utopians/#comment-40727 Simon Kennedy, instead of whinging about decent challenge-riposte (which has <a href="http://www.creationontheweb.com/content/view/3301/#cr" rel="nofollow">ample biblical precedent</a>), find out more about them. For example, Chairman Rudd refused to answer when asked whether he would introduce a federal equivalent of Vic's anti-Christian "anti-vilification" bill. Rudd is just using the typical Left tactic of campaigning to the Right while intending to govern to the Left. And even in the unlikely event that his campaigning is honest, it's doubtful that Comrade Gillardova and her allies among the 70% Union leaders on the front bench won't demand their pound of flesh. Just look at <a href="http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/gillards_plan_for_power/" rel="nofollow">Gillardova's clearly stated aims</a> when a student member of a communist group to use Labor to implement the radical Left agenda. Jonathan Sarfati, Brisbane Simon Kennedy, instead of whinging about decent challenge-riposte (which has ample biblical precedent), find out more about them. For example, Chairman Rudd refused to answer when asked whether he would introduce a federal equivalent of Vic’s anti-Christian “anti-vilification” bill. Rudd is just using the typical Left tactic of campaigning to the Right while intending to govern to the Left.

And even in the unlikely event that his campaigning is honest, it’s doubtful that Comrade Gillardova and her allies among the 70% Union leaders on the front bench won’t demand their pound of flesh. Just look at Gillardova’s clearly stated aims when a student member of a communist group to use Labor to implement the radical Left agenda.

Jonathan Sarfati, Brisbane

]]> By: Ewan http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2007/10/30/the-bitter-fruit-of-the-coercive-utopians/comment-page-1/#comment-40621 Ewan Thu, 01 Nov 2007 06:56:29 +0000 http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2007/10/30/the-bitter-fruit-of-the-coercive-utopians/#comment-40621 Christian socialist Rudd "right wing"? What does that make the rest of us then? Off the scale I presume. Ewan McDonald, Victoria. Christian socialist Rudd “right wing”? What does that make the rest of us then? Off the scale I presume.

Ewan McDonald, Victoria.

]]> By: Simon Kennedy, VIC http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2007/10/30/the-bitter-fruit-of-the-coercive-utopians/comment-page-1/#comment-40607 Simon Kennedy, VIC Thu, 01 Nov 2007 04:59:56 +0000 http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2007/10/30/the-bitter-fruit-of-the-coercive-utopians/#comment-40607 Chairman Rudd and Comrade Gillardova...dear me. "Chairman Rudd" is probably the most right wing Labor leader ever. Save the name calling for the school-yard. Simon Kennedy, VIC Chairman Rudd and Comrade Gillardova…dear me. “Chairman Rudd” is probably the most right wing Labor leader ever. Save the name calling for the school-yard.
Simon Kennedy, VIC

]]> By: Jonathan Sarfati http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2007/10/30/the-bitter-fruit-of-the-coercive-utopians/comment-page-1/#comment-40508 Jonathan Sarfati Wed, 31 Oct 2007 03:38:27 +0000 http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2007/10/30/the-bitter-fruit-of-the-coercive-utopians/#comment-40508 And we might also get this situation if Chairman Rudd copies NZ's leftist leader Helen Clark: <a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/4253352a10.html" rel="nofollow">School dobs mum to CYF for hand smack</a> Jonathan Sarfati, Brisbane And we might also get this situation if Chairman Rudd copies NZ’s leftist leader Helen Clark:

School dobs mum to CYF for hand smack

Jonathan Sarfati, Brisbane

]]> By: Ewan http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2007/10/30/the-bitter-fruit-of-the-coercive-utopians/comment-page-1/#comment-40487 Ewan Wed, 31 Oct 2007 02:42:46 +0000 http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2007/10/30/the-bitter-fruit-of-the-coercive-utopians/#comment-40487 Indeed Jonathan, since Federal Labor has a policy to remove 'discrimination' against homosexuals and to introduce various anti-vilification laws. Ewan McDonald, Victoria. Indeed Jonathan, since Federal Labor has a policy to remove ‘discrimination’ against homosexuals and to introduce various anti-vilification laws.

Ewan McDonald, Victoria.

]]> By: Jonathan Sarfati http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2007/10/30/the-bitter-fruit-of-the-coercive-utopians/comment-page-1/#comment-40459 Jonathan Sarfati Wed, 31 Oct 2007 00:33:55 +0000 http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2007/10/30/the-bitter-fruit-of-the-coercive-utopians/#comment-40459 This is probably what we will be in for in Australia if we elect Chairman KRudd and Comrade Gillardova. Jonathan Sarfati, Brisbane This is probably what we will be in for in Australia if we elect Chairman KRudd and Comrade Gillardova.
Jonathan Sarfati, Brisbane

]]> By: david skinner http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2007/10/30/the-bitter-fruit-of-the-coercive-utopians/comment-page-1/#comment-40423 david skinner Tue, 30 Oct 2007 18:20:35 +0000 http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2007/10/30/the-bitter-fruit-of-the-coercive-utopians/#comment-40423 Thanks for this Ewan, I will pass this piece of heavy ordnance onto folks in Britain . It may not be for the faint hearted but this is not the time for those with fine sensibilities to stick their heads in the sand. And thanks Bill for the powerful poem by pastor Martin Niemoller and coming back to the Mathericks; today it is the fostered child that Somerset County Council’s social services department have taken. Tomorrow it will be Matherick's own children and the children of any other parents who refuses to comply with the Sexual Orientation Regulations. No doubt hundreds of thousands of children were taken away and put in orphanages during the reign of Stalin. When people hold up the nice friendly and respectable gay couple down the road who, like us, do the shopping, mow the lawn and walk the dog as representing the gay community, forget it. The true face of the gay lobby is Ben Summerskill of Stonewall, the official government voice for the homosexuals. The link between him (or the Australian equivalent), Stonewall, Pink News and the Folsom Street Fair is direct. David Skinner, UK Thanks for this Ewan, I will pass this piece of heavy ordnance onto folks in Britain . It may not be for the faint hearted but this is not the time for those with fine sensibilities to stick their heads in the sand.

And thanks Bill for the powerful poem by pastor Martin Niemoller and coming back to the Mathericks; today it is the fostered child that Somerset County Council’s social services department have taken. Tomorrow it will be Matherick’s own children and the children of any other parents who refuses to comply with the Sexual Orientation Regulations. No doubt hundreds of thousands of children were taken away and put in orphanages during the reign of Stalin.

When people hold up the nice friendly and respectable gay couple down the road who, like us, do the shopping, mow the lawn and walk the dog as representing the gay community, forget it. The true face of the gay lobby is Ben Summerskill of Stonewall, the official government voice for the homosexuals. The link between him (or the Australian equivalent), Stonewall, Pink News and the Folsom Street Fair is direct.

David Skinner, UK

]]> By: Ewan http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2007/10/30/the-bitter-fruit-of-the-coercive-utopians/comment-page-1/#comment-40396 Ewan Tue, 30 Oct 2007 12:50:06 +0000 http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2007/10/30/the-bitter-fruit-of-the-coercive-utopians/#comment-40396 The website http://zombietime.com/ has a disturbing report on the Folsom Street Fair. But a warning - it is not for the faint hearted. Ewan McDonald, Victoria. The website http://zombietime.com/ has a disturbing report on the Folsom Street Fair. But a warning – it is not for the faint hearted.

Ewan McDonald, Victoria.

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