Comments on: The Reformation of Morals http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2007/10/08/the-reformation-of-morals/ Bill Muehlenberg's commentary on issues of the day... Fri, 10 Feb 2012 10:27:21 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Annette Nestor http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2007/10/08/the-reformation-of-morals/comment-page-1/#comment-249286 Annette Nestor Fri, 01 Jul 2011 09:06:43 +0000 http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2007/10/08/the-reformation-of-morals/#comment-249286 <p>Thanks for the information on Wilberforce. I didn't know he did all this. </p> <p>You write regarding animal cruelty and bull 'shows' - "Sometimes to make things even more interesting, the hooves of the bull were cut off, leaving the poor beast to get about on bloody stumps. More can be said, but I spare my readers." Yes - it was hard to continue reading - the picture that came to my mind was entirely awful. </p> <p>Well how depraved they were in those days to find pleasure in watching such violent and bloodied acts. Today we are more civilized than that and we wouldn't want to look at such things. But what about those 'sick' pro-lifers who go around showing pictures of bloodied fetuses and the like? How macabre! What morbid kind of a person would do that? - for goodness sake, our children could have nightmares!</p> <p>Personally, I think - a civilized one. </p> <p>Annette Nestor</p> Thanks for the information on Wilberforce. I didn’t know he did all this.

You write regarding animal cruelty and bull ‘shows’ – “Sometimes to make things even more interesting, the hooves of the bull were cut off, leaving the poor beast to get about on bloody stumps. More can be said, but I spare my readers.” Yes – it was hard to continue reading – the picture that came to my mind was entirely awful.

Well how depraved they were in those days to find pleasure in watching such violent and bloodied acts. Today we are more civilized than that and we wouldn’t want to look at such things. But what about those ‘sick’ pro-lifers who go around showing pictures of bloodied fetuses and the like? How macabre! What morbid kind of a person would do that? – for goodness sake, our children could have nightmares!

Personally, I think – a civilized one.

Annette Nestor

]]> By: Bill Muehlenberg http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2007/10/08/the-reformation-of-morals/comment-page-1/#comment-36617 Bill Muehlenberg Wed, 17 Oct 2007 02:41:03 +0000 http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2007/10/08/the-reformation-of-morals/#comment-36617 Many thanks Darius Bill Muehlenberg, CultureWatch Many thanks Darius
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]]> By: Darius Khor http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2007/10/08/the-reformation-of-morals/comment-page-1/#comment-36549 Darius Khor Tue, 16 Oct 2007 22:01:54 +0000 http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2007/10/08/the-reformation-of-morals/#comment-36549 Just as the modern church may be due (arguably) for another reformation, I believe the same applies for the morals of society today. As I sit and read this blog on 'The Reformation of Morals' I cannot help but ask myself; what will the modern reforming man look like? What will the next Luther, the next Calvin, the next Wilberforce looks like? My heart sinks to think of the gross comparison of the kind of people we look to today for guidance! Are the day's of greatness and 'heroes' rapidly fleeing behind us, perhaps it is more apt to say that we are running away from them? But as I read you're article Bill, you remind me of the very man you place at the center of your piece. A man that choses to stand up against mockery and ridicule as Wilberforce once did in an attempt to protect the very values that are beginning to slip from our grasps. To know that there is at least one person out there, protecting the things that even self-proclaimed 'Christians' are laying down in compromise, no matter the cost, is a refreshing breeze in a stagnating society. For that I salute you Bill Darius Khor Just as the modern church may be due (arguably) for another reformation, I believe the same applies for the morals of society today.
As I sit and read this blog on ‘The Reformation of Morals’ I cannot help but ask myself; what will the modern reforming man look like? What will the next Luther, the next Calvin, the next Wilberforce looks like?
My heart sinks to think of the gross comparison of the kind of people we look to today for guidance! Are the day’s of greatness and ‘heroes’ rapidly fleeing behind us, perhaps it is more apt to say that we are running away from them?

But as I read you’re article Bill, you remind me of the very man you place at the center of your piece. A man that choses to stand up against mockery and ridicule as Wilberforce once did in an attempt to protect the very values that are beginning to slip from our grasps.

To know that there is at least one person out there, protecting the things that even self-proclaimed ‘Christians’ are laying down in compromise, no matter the cost, is a refreshing breeze in a stagnating society.

For that I salute you Bill

Darius Khor

]]> By: Bill Muehlenberg http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2007/10/08/the-reformation-of-morals/comment-page-1/#comment-34577 Bill Muehlenberg Mon, 08 Oct 2007 12:47:40 +0000 http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2007/10/08/the-reformation-of-morals/#comment-34577 Thanks Ewan Yes there certainly was a connection between revival and awakening taking place then, and the rise of Wilberforce and the Clapham Sect. Wilberforce knew that a people must be changed if a nation was to be genuinely transformed, and he worked at both simultaneously. There is always hope, as long as God is on the throne. If we seek his face, humble ourselves, and repent, we too may be granted both revival and reformation. Bill Muehlenberg, CultureWatch Thanks Ewan
Yes there certainly was a connection between revival and awakening taking place then, and the rise of Wilberforce and the Clapham Sect. Wilberforce knew that a people must be changed if a nation was to be genuinely transformed, and he worked at both simultaneously.
There is always hope, as long as God is on the throne. If we seek his face, humble ourselves, and repent, we too may be granted both revival and reformation.
Bill Muehlenberg, CultureWatch

]]> By: Ewan http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2007/10/08/the-reformation-of-morals/comment-page-1/#comment-34573 Ewan Mon, 08 Oct 2007 12:21:57 +0000 http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2007/10/08/the-reformation-of-morals/#comment-34573 To read accounts of depravity in the past and how it was overcome is certainly encouraging. Perhaps the only way in which the present state of the West exceeds the depravity of Wilberforce's day, is in the immensity of the human death toll due to abortion, and in the all pervasive nature of porn, in print and in movies, on TV and on the internet. One question I have - to what extent did the Methodist revival of Whitefield and Wesley assist Wiberforce in reforming the manners of a nation, and do we have a hope for revival in our time? Ewan McDonald, Victoria. To read accounts of depravity in the past and how it was overcome is certainly encouraging. Perhaps the only way in which the present state of the West exceeds the depravity of Wilberforce’s day, is in the immensity of the human death toll due to abortion, and in the all pervasive nature of porn, in print and in movies, on TV and on the internet.

One question I have – to what extent did the Methodist revival of Whitefield and Wesley assist Wiberforce in reforming the manners of a nation, and do we have a hope for revival in our time?

Ewan McDonald, Victoria.

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