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		<title>By: Jim Sturla</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Sturla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Sep 2007 00:25:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find it extremely interesting in that Christians now complain abot PC. It has been a disease that has crept into our society over the last 40 to 50 years. Why? Simple, the silent majority has done just that, it has remained silent and allowed the noisy minority groups to take the freedoms that were enjoyed. We can sit and complain about the situation as long as we like, it will not help. The only real option is that the &quot;silent majority&quot; must establish a base core set of ethics and be prepared to stand and be counted. Am I angry, YES, for so long I have watched my rights being reduced and people&#039;s attitudes changing until we have now reached a point where we suffer everything rather than standing. We have reached a point where we are too afraid to have an opinion because it is unfashionable. We are content to let the defenceless suffer because we may receive an antagonistic response.
I give a lot of credit to the likes of Jim Wallace and the ACL, it&#039;s great to see a group that are prepared to stand behind their beliefs.
Jim Sturla</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find it extremely interesting in that Christians now complain abot PC. It has been a disease that has crept into our society over the last 40 to 50 years. Why? Simple, the silent majority has done just that, it has remained silent and allowed the noisy minority groups to take the freedoms that were enjoyed. We can sit and complain about the situation as long as we like, it will not help. The only real option is that the &#8220;silent majority&#8221; must establish a base core set of ethics and be prepared to stand and be counted. Am I angry, YES, for so long I have watched my rights being reduced and people&#8217;s attitudes changing until we have now reached a point where we suffer everything rather than standing. We have reached a point where we are too afraid to have an opinion because it is unfashionable. We are content to let the defenceless suffer because we may receive an antagonistic response.<br />
I give a lot of credit to the likes of Jim Wallace and the ACL, it&#8217;s great to see a group that are prepared to stand behind their beliefs.<br />
Jim Sturla</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Phillips</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Phillips</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Sep 2007 13:23:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Futher comments to Augusto Zimmerman,
After a re-reading of your post I recognize better the distinction you are making between Individual &amp; Group rights. You say: &quot;When group rights get the upper hand, gone are the ‘unalienable rights’ given to the individual by his Creator so admirably expressed in the American Declaration of Independence”. Firstly, I was not and am not focusing on the distinction between group &amp; individual rights, but &quot;rights&quot; versus obligations. The obligations are clearly spelt out in in the biblical record. The &quot;rights&quot; referred to in the declaration of independence are nowhere spelt out in the Bible, as such. Even the commandment to &quot;fill the Earth &amp; subdue it&quot; is an obligation, but it is not a &quot;right&quot;. My point is simply that when people use the term &quot;rights&quot; today, whether in the context of Group or Individual rights, it creates in most peoples minds, the idea of something that the holder of that &quot;right&quot; owns or posseses. The individual is vaunted upwards, in effect challenging Gods primacy. God owns everything. Everything we have that we &quot;own&quot;, is really a form of usufruct from God. We actually individually and corporately, ultimately own nothing!!!
Therefore, the modern day concept of &quot;rights&quot; creates a moral &amp; social dynamic totally inverted from the Biblical Idea of personal &amp; Group (Nation, Town, Association) obligations to carry out the Divine command. As it says in Michah 6:8, &quot;But was does God require of you O man, but to do Justice and to love kindness and to walk humbly with your God&quot;. 
In executing this divine command no one should lay claim to individual or group ownership of &quot;rights&quot;. Furthermore, Groups are made up of individuals and therefore even claiming Group &quot;rights&quot; involves the glorification of the individual that belongs to that Group, as opposed to glorifying God, by carrying out his commands, as we are obliged to do.

Robert Phillips.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Futher comments to Augusto Zimmerman,<br />
After a re-reading of your post I recognize better the distinction you are making between Individual &amp; Group rights. You say: &#8220;When group rights get the upper hand, gone are the ‘unalienable rights’ given to the individual by his Creator so admirably expressed in the American Declaration of Independence”. Firstly, I was not and am not focusing on the distinction between group &amp; individual rights, but &#8220;rights&#8221; versus obligations. The obligations are clearly spelt out in in the biblical record. The &#8220;rights&#8221; referred to in the declaration of independence are nowhere spelt out in the Bible, as such. Even the commandment to &#8220;fill the Earth &amp; subdue it&#8221; is an obligation, but it is not a &#8220;right&#8221;. My point is simply that when people use the term &#8220;rights&#8221; today, whether in the context of Group or Individual rights, it creates in most peoples minds, the idea of something that the holder of that &#8220;right&#8221; owns or posseses. The individual is vaunted upwards, in effect challenging Gods primacy. God owns everything. Everything we have that we &#8220;own&#8221;, is really a form of usufruct from God. We actually individually and corporately, ultimately own nothing!!!<br />
Therefore, the modern day concept of &#8220;rights&#8221; creates a moral &amp; social dynamic totally inverted from the Biblical Idea of personal &amp; Group (Nation, Town, Association) obligations to carry out the Divine command. As it says in Michah 6:8, &#8220;But was does God require of you O man, but to do Justice and to love kindness and to walk humbly with your God&#8221;.<br />
In executing this divine command no one should lay claim to individual or group ownership of &#8220;rights&#8221;. Furthermore, Groups are made up of individuals and therefore even claiming Group &#8220;rights&#8221; involves the glorification of the individual that belongs to that Group, as opposed to glorifying God, by carrying out his commands, as we are obliged to do.</p>
<p>Robert Phillips.</p>
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		<title>By: david skinner</title>
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		<dc:creator>david skinner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Sep 2007 06:30:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>May I add my appreciation of Augusto Zimmerman’s scholarly and biblical post, which has thrown into even sharper relief the way the British government has appropriated God’s sovereignty by claiming that there is no greater moral conscience or authority than its own. One question to Augusto: Where can I buy a pair of Oliver Cromwell boots?
David Skinner, UK</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>May I add my appreciation of Augusto Zimmerman’s scholarly and biblical post, which has thrown into even sharper relief the way the British government has appropriated God’s sovereignty by claiming that there is no greater moral conscience or authority than its own. One question to Augusto: Where can I buy a pair of Oliver Cromwell boots?<br />
David Skinner, UK</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy Peet</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeremy Peet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Sep 2007 02:24:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you Bill for the article and to others for their insights also.

I do agree the concept of &#039;Rights&#039; has been greatly abused. Obviously, as our society more and more denies the LORD as Creator, the rights become merely a social construct as determined by man instead of God. 

Unlike our eternal God, Man is fluid; here one day and gone the next, blown away like chaff. So are man-given &#039;rights&#039;.

Jeremy Peet</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Bill for the article and to others for their insights also.</p>
<p>I do agree the concept of &#8216;Rights&#8217; has been greatly abused. Obviously, as our society more and more denies the LORD as Creator, the rights become merely a social construct as determined by man instead of God. </p>
<p>Unlike our eternal God, Man is fluid; here one day and gone the next, blown away like chaff. So are man-given &#8216;rights&#8217;.</p>
<p>Jeremy Peet</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Phillips</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Phillips</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2007 03:07:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank You Augusto Zimmerman,
For your fullsome and edifying response. I concede that I may have overstated my position somewhat, in saying that &quot;the concept of rights is an illusion&quot;. I did not mean that people should not have access to Justice or be subject to Tyranny. My intent was get readers to realize that from a Christian perspective as we live our lives, always before God, we should realise that before God we cannot have any claims against Him. Also I was trying to illustrate, as I think you did better than I, that the emphasis should be placed on the obligation of the Christian and non Christian to treat his brother well because God has said he should, not so much because his brother insists on his &quot;rights&quot;. Gods Law applies equally to Christian and non Christian alike. I do not think we are that far apart and I found your response very good. Thank you for taking the time.

God Bless, Robert Phillips</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank You Augusto Zimmerman,<br />
For your fullsome and edifying response. I concede that I may have overstated my position somewhat, in saying that &#8220;the concept of rights is an illusion&#8221;. I did not mean that people should not have access to Justice or be subject to Tyranny. My intent was get readers to realize that from a Christian perspective as we live our lives, always before God, we should realise that before God we cannot have any claims against Him. Also I was trying to illustrate, as I think you did better than I, that the emphasis should be placed on the obligation of the Christian and non Christian to treat his brother well because God has said he should, not so much because his brother insists on his &#8220;rights&#8221;. Gods Law applies equally to Christian and non Christian alike. I do not think we are that far apart and I found your response very good. Thank you for taking the time.</p>
<p>God Bless, Robert Phillips</p>
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		<title>By: vasko kalapac</title>
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		<dc:creator>vasko kalapac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2007 06:59:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m both shocked and not shocked at the same time. The new tolerance in today&#039;s society is allowing the morally depraved to escape the consequences of their actions. When fear of reprisal is the motivator in remaining silent about the diabolical abuse of a child, something is very wrong. Politcal correctness is about relativism. The only thing that that seems to be an absolute in the majority world view today is that Christianity, or even more specifically, biblical meta-narative, is outdated and humankind has progressed beyond the Bible. Its apparently called being &#039;enlightened&#039; - more like &#039;endarkened&#039;.  

It seems &#039;the grey area is slowly disappearing and what will be left soon is only black and white&#039;. Moral relativity is the precursor of much of the depravity we see happening in society. The Bible calls it lawlessness&#039;. Any nation that divorces the Lord Jesus Christ and the absolute perfection and authority of the Bible in all matters will result in what we now are seeing. We need to kindle a passion in our churhes and homes so that when moral relativity arises we will stand and declare the truth unashamedly. Too many Christians that I know are silent about the moral terrorism that is taking place. We need to light the flame of truth!

1 Peter 3:15-17 (ESV): &#039;but in your hearts regard Christ the Lord as holy, always being prepared to make a defense to anyone who asks you for a reason for the hope that is in you;  yet do it with gentleness and respect, having a good conscience, so that, when you are slandered, those who revile your good behavior in Christ may be put to shame. For it is better to suffer for doing good, if that should be God’s will, than for doing evil.&#039;

Vasko Kalapac</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m both shocked and not shocked at the same time. The new tolerance in today&#8217;s society is allowing the morally depraved to escape the consequences of their actions. When fear of reprisal is the motivator in remaining silent about the diabolical abuse of a child, something is very wrong. Politcal correctness is about relativism. The only thing that that seems to be an absolute in the majority world view today is that Christianity, or even more specifically, biblical meta-narative, is outdated and humankind has progressed beyond the Bible. Its apparently called being &#8216;enlightened&#8217; &#8211; more like &#8216;endarkened&#8217;.  </p>
<p>It seems &#8216;the grey area is slowly disappearing and what will be left soon is only black and white&#8217;. Moral relativity is the precursor of much of the depravity we see happening in society. The Bible calls it lawlessness&#8217;. Any nation that divorces the Lord Jesus Christ and the absolute perfection and authority of the Bible in all matters will result in what we now are seeing. We need to kindle a passion in our churhes and homes so that when moral relativity arises we will stand and declare the truth unashamedly. Too many Christians that I know are silent about the moral terrorism that is taking place. We need to light the flame of truth!</p>
<p>1 Peter 3:15-17 (ESV): &#8216;but in your hearts regard Christ the Lord as holy, always being prepared to make a defense to anyone who asks you for a reason for the hope that is in you;  yet do it with gentleness and respect, having a good conscience, so that, when you are slandered, those who revile your good behavior in Christ may be put to shame. For it is better to suffer for doing good, if that should be God’s will, than for doing evil.&#8217;</p>
<p>Vasko Kalapac</p>
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		<title>By: Augusto Zimmermann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Augusto Zimmermann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2007 05:33:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I respectfully disagree from Robert Phillips. I believe the idea of rights is not an illusion. In my modest opinion the idea of basic human rights derives from the righteous character of our Creator. Since God loves justice and righteousness, law needs to protect the individual from all forms of political tyranny. 

Robert, I understand you might also be mixing two different categories of human ‘rights’. 

The first bills of rights in modern history were actually conceived by Christians who attempted to solve the problem of political tyranny. These are basic rights dealing with Lord Acton’s aphorism that power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. A constant in the understanding of these rights is a preoccupation with the preservation of natural rights to life, liberty and property, ensuring the possibility of civil resistance against such tyranny. 

A new generation of rights, however, has appeared in more recent years. They cover ‘group rights’ and  follow not biblical principles but rather the idea of ‘social evolution’. Naturally, these ‘group rights’ are of a distinct nature when compared with the basic rights revealed by the first modern charters of rights. 

In fact, sociology professor Alvin J. Schmidt points out: “Group rights that determine a person rights on the basis of belonging to a given ethnic or racial group, as presently advocated by multiculturalists and by affirmative action laws, nullify the rights of the individual. Group rights greatly reduce the freedom of the individual in that this rights stem only from the group; if he does not belong to the group, his rights are greatly curtailed… When group rights get the upper hand, gone are the ‘unalienable rights’ given to the individual by his Creator so admirably expressed in the American Declaration of Independence”. 

In the thirteenth century, Franciscan nominalists were the first philosophers to elaborate legal theories of God-given rights, as basic rights derived from a natural order sustained by God’s immutable laws of ‘right reason’. 

These medieval priests, who vehemently defended the papal primacy, nevertheless reminded their readers that ‘it is allowed to no one to act against natural law’. An imposing line of medieval Christian thinkers was that the political ruler is bound by the law, as he is a citizen exercising a governmental function and liable to be called to account for his deeds “as any subject who has broken the law”.

The notion that law and basic human rights are inseparable comes from the fact that God has revealed his ‘higher law’ and, accordingly, this law must be placed above any governmental will. As such, liberty is found under the law of God, because, as the Holy Scriptures declares: ‘The law of the Lord is perfect, reviving the soul’ (Psa19:7). This also means that everyone have the moral obligation to lawfully disobey any statutory provision that perverts God’s law, because the objective of civil government is to establish a godly order of justice and freedom. 

As for our British constitutional tradition, in declaring the equality of human souls in the sight of God, Christianity compelled the English King to recognize the supremacy of the divine law over his arbitrary will. The absolutist monarch inherited from Roman law was thereby counteracted and transformed into a monarch explicitly under the law. 

According to Charles Francis: “In England the Lord Chancellor played an important part in the development of common law rights. Those Chancellors were all Christians, and a number were ordained. Consequently the common law which evolved had a strong Christian basis.  In passing it is interesting to note that even as late as 1932 in discussing the common law of negligence in England’s highest court Lord Atkin referred to the biblical question “Who is my neighbour?” He said in law the answer seems to be “persons who are so closely and directly affected by my act that I ought reasonably to have them in contemplation as being so affected when I am directing my mind to the acts or omissions which are called into question”.

In fact, the Christian faith provided to the people of England a status libertatis (state of liberty) which rested on the Christian presumption that God’s law always works for the good of society. With their conversion to Christianity, the kings of England would no longer possess an arbitrary power over the life and property of individuals, changing the basic laws of the kingdom at pleasure. Rather, they were told about God’s promise in the book Isaiah, to deal with civil authorities who enact unjust laws (Isaiah 10:1). In fact, the Bible contains many passages condemning the perversion of justice by them (Prov 17:15, 24:23; Exo 23:7; Deut 16:18; Hab 1:4; Isa 60:14; Lam 3:34). 

According to the English constitutionalist O.H. Philips: 
&quot;Historically, the concept of the rule of law was, first used with reference to a belief in the existence of law possessing higher authority – whether divine or natural – than that o f the law promulgated by human rulers which imposed limits on their powers. It was probably in this sense that Aristotle expressed the view that “the rule of the law is preferable to that of any individual”. Bracton, writing in the thirteenth century adopted the theory generally held in the Middle Ages that the world was governed by law, human or divine; and that “the King himself ought not be subject to man but subject to God and to the law, because the law makes him king”. The same view is also expressed in the Year of Books of the fourteenth and fifteenth centuries. Such superior law governed kings as well as subjects and set limits to the prerogative. On that ground Fortescue, in the middle of the fifteenth century, based his argument that there could be no taxation without the consent of Parliament&quot;. 

And in explaining why the citizens of England had much more freedom than their French counterparts, Charles Spurgeon (1834–1892) declared: 
‘There is not land beneath the sun where there is an open Bible and a preached gospel, where a tyrant long can hold his place … Let the Bible be opened to be read by all men, and no tyrant can long rule in peace. England owes her freedom to the Bible; and France will never possess liberty, lasting and well-established, till she comes to reverence the gospel, which too long has rejected … The religion of Jesus makes men think, and to make men think is always dangerous to a despot’s power.’

In saying so, however, I must necessarily add that Christianity is focused not just on rights but also on Biblically derived concepts of duties and responsibilities. 

In reality, the Biblical concept of justice has more to do with encouraging personal duties in protecting the weak, the poor, the widows, than it does with asking ‘rights’ from the government. This principle also reflects the democratic maturity of a free society, whereby the initiative (and creativity) of citizens is respected, and free from the excesses of government paternalism.

Augusto Zimmermann</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I respectfully disagree from Robert Phillips. I believe the idea of rights is not an illusion. In my modest opinion the idea of basic human rights derives from the righteous character of our Creator. Since God loves justice and righteousness, law needs to protect the individual from all forms of political tyranny. </p>
<p>Robert, I understand you might also be mixing two different categories of human ‘rights’. </p>
<p>The first bills of rights in modern history were actually conceived by Christians who attempted to solve the problem of political tyranny. These are basic rights dealing with Lord Acton’s aphorism that power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. A constant in the understanding of these rights is a preoccupation with the preservation of natural rights to life, liberty and property, ensuring the possibility of civil resistance against such tyranny. </p>
<p>A new generation of rights, however, has appeared in more recent years. They cover ‘group rights’ and  follow not biblical principles but rather the idea of ‘social evolution’. Naturally, these ‘group rights’ are of a distinct nature when compared with the basic rights revealed by the first modern charters of rights. </p>
<p>In fact, sociology professor Alvin J. Schmidt points out: “Group rights that determine a person rights on the basis of belonging to a given ethnic or racial group, as presently advocated by multiculturalists and by affirmative action laws, nullify the rights of the individual. Group rights greatly reduce the freedom of the individual in that this rights stem only from the group; if he does not belong to the group, his rights are greatly curtailed… When group rights get the upper hand, gone are the ‘unalienable rights’ given to the individual by his Creator so admirably expressed in the American Declaration of Independence”. </p>
<p>In the thirteenth century, Franciscan nominalists were the first philosophers to elaborate legal theories of God-given rights, as basic rights derived from a natural order sustained by God’s immutable laws of ‘right reason’. </p>
<p>These medieval priests, who vehemently defended the papal primacy, nevertheless reminded their readers that ‘it is allowed to no one to act against natural law’. An imposing line of medieval Christian thinkers was that the political ruler is bound by the law, as he is a citizen exercising a governmental function and liable to be called to account for his deeds “as any subject who has broken the law”.</p>
<p>The notion that law and basic human rights are inseparable comes from the fact that God has revealed his ‘higher law’ and, accordingly, this law must be placed above any governmental will. As such, liberty is found under the law of God, because, as the Holy Scriptures declares: ‘The law of the Lord is perfect, reviving the soul’ (Psa19:7). This also means that everyone have the moral obligation to lawfully disobey any statutory provision that perverts God’s law, because the objective of civil government is to establish a godly order of justice and freedom. </p>
<p>As for our British constitutional tradition, in declaring the equality of human souls in the sight of God, Christianity compelled the English King to recognize the supremacy of the divine law over his arbitrary will. The absolutist monarch inherited from Roman law was thereby counteracted and transformed into a monarch explicitly under the law. </p>
<p>According to Charles Francis: “In England the Lord Chancellor played an important part in the development of common law rights. Those Chancellors were all Christians, and a number were ordained. Consequently the common law which evolved had a strong Christian basis.  In passing it is interesting to note that even as late as 1932 in discussing the common law of negligence in England’s highest court Lord Atkin referred to the biblical question “Who is my neighbour?” He said in law the answer seems to be “persons who are so closely and directly affected by my act that I ought reasonably to have them in contemplation as being so affected when I am directing my mind to the acts or omissions which are called into question”.</p>
<p>In fact, the Christian faith provided to the people of England a status libertatis (state of liberty) which rested on the Christian presumption that God’s law always works for the good of society. With their conversion to Christianity, the kings of England would no longer possess an arbitrary power over the life and property of individuals, changing the basic laws of the kingdom at pleasure. Rather, they were told about God’s promise in the book Isaiah, to deal with civil authorities who enact unjust laws (Isaiah 10:1). In fact, the Bible contains many passages condemning the perversion of justice by them (Prov 17:15, 24:23; Exo 23:7; Deut 16:18; Hab 1:4; Isa 60:14; Lam 3:34). </p>
<p>According to the English constitutionalist O.H. Philips:<br />
&#8220;Historically, the concept of the rule of law was, first used with reference to a belief in the existence of law possessing higher authority – whether divine or natural – than that o f the law promulgated by human rulers which imposed limits on their powers. It was probably in this sense that Aristotle expressed the view that “the rule of the law is preferable to that of any individual”. Bracton, writing in the thirteenth century adopted the theory generally held in the Middle Ages that the world was governed by law, human or divine; and that “the King himself ought not be subject to man but subject to God and to the law, because the law makes him king”. The same view is also expressed in the Year of Books of the fourteenth and fifteenth centuries. Such superior law governed kings as well as subjects and set limits to the prerogative. On that ground Fortescue, in the middle of the fifteenth century, based his argument that there could be no taxation without the consent of Parliament&#8221;. </p>
<p>And in explaining why the citizens of England had much more freedom than their French counterparts, Charles Spurgeon (1834–1892) declared:<br />
‘There is not land beneath the sun where there is an open Bible and a preached gospel, where a tyrant long can hold his place … Let the Bible be opened to be read by all men, and no tyrant can long rule in peace. England owes her freedom to the Bible; and France will never possess liberty, lasting and well-established, till she comes to reverence the gospel, which too long has rejected … The religion of Jesus makes men think, and to make men think is always dangerous to a despot’s power.’</p>
<p>In saying so, however, I must necessarily add that Christianity is focused not just on rights but also on Biblically derived concepts of duties and responsibilities. </p>
<p>In reality, the Biblical concept of justice has more to do with encouraging personal duties in protecting the weak, the poor, the widows, than it does with asking ‘rights’ from the government. This principle also reflects the democratic maturity of a free society, whereby the initiative (and creativity) of citizens is respected, and free from the excesses of government paternalism.</p>
<p>Augusto Zimmermann</p>
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		<title>By: Frank Norros</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank Norros</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2007 03:55:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bill, &quot;political correctness&quot; and &quot;rights&quot; go hand in hand, as political correctness is being used to establish ever expanding rights to the aggressive minority groups who are using them to suppress moral truths.  In Victoria we have seen the passing of the vilification laws and the Human Rights Charter and in the pipeline there is a planned review of the Equal Opportunity Commission, which will inevitably give it teeth to start own-motion investigations and prosecutions.

The aggressive minorities tout the new rights as inalienable rights.  Nonsense!  The very use of the word &quot;inalienable&quot; makes a mockery of the term.  Each of these new rights is legislated and just as easily as they are created, they can also be repealed.  In fact, the second stage of implementation of the Human Rights Charter in Victoria will only come into force on January 1 2008, and yet it is already scheduled for review to see if the rights need to be alterned or expanded.  Hence, these rights are not attributed to a man by virtue that he is a man, but are merely the creation of society through the legislature and subsequently subject to the whim of the legislature.  As social attitudes change (and consequently what is politically correct), so will the rights be changed (either by the legislature or through interpretation by the courts) to meet changing social attitudes.  In other words, the so called inalienable rights are quite alienable.

The only real rights are those founded on God&#039;s truth.  He created a natural order for the raising of children that the aggressive minorities show a complete distaste for.  But the evidence against their rhetoric is mounting and they will not be able to avoid it forever.  I am with you in hoping that one day soon sanity will return.

Frank Norros</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill, &#8220;political correctness&#8221; and &#8220;rights&#8221; go hand in hand, as political correctness is being used to establish ever expanding rights to the aggressive minority groups who are using them to suppress moral truths.  In Victoria we have seen the passing of the vilification laws and the Human Rights Charter and in the pipeline there is a planned review of the Equal Opportunity Commission, which will inevitably give it teeth to start own-motion investigations and prosecutions.</p>
<p>The aggressive minorities tout the new rights as inalienable rights.  Nonsense!  The very use of the word &#8220;inalienable&#8221; makes a mockery of the term.  Each of these new rights is legislated and just as easily as they are created, they can also be repealed.  In fact, the second stage of implementation of the Human Rights Charter in Victoria will only come into force on January 1 2008, and yet it is already scheduled for review to see if the rights need to be alterned or expanded.  Hence, these rights are not attributed to a man by virtue that he is a man, but are merely the creation of society through the legislature and subsequently subject to the whim of the legislature.  As social attitudes change (and consequently what is politically correct), so will the rights be changed (either by the legislature or through interpretation by the courts) to meet changing social attitudes.  In other words, the so called inalienable rights are quite alienable.</p>
<p>The only real rights are those founded on God&#8217;s truth.  He created a natural order for the raising of children that the aggressive minorities show a complete distaste for.  But the evidence against their rhetoric is mounting and they will not be able to avoid it forever.  I am with you in hoping that one day soon sanity will return.</p>
<p>Frank Norros</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Phillips</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Phillips</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2007 03:34:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The whole concept of &quot;rights&quot; is an illusion. I am willing to be corrected on this, but, I believe the term &quot;rights&quot; as used in western civilization from the time of the &quot;enlightenment&quot; onwards originated from such documents as the Magna Carta and then the English Bill of Rights. However, I believe its original meaning especially in the Magna Carta was more a case of What was &quot;Right&quot; for the Sovereign to do towards and for His subjects. An obligation to your fellow man if you will. It did not mean, especially given the Gospel based nature of English society at that time (See the Coronation Oath), that the Kings subjects had or owned intrinsic &quot;rights&quot; in the sense that the term is used today. Ultimately unregenerate man has no rights before a Holy God that he has offended. The king was recognized as his loyal servant, there to execute His justice. Outside of Christ we are paupers that own nothing and have no standing before God, especially not &quot;rights&quot; against a Holy and Sovereign God. Furthermore, when Jesus summarized the law in the 2 great commandments, Love the Lord your God and Love your neigbour, He put obligations upon us. He did not impart &quot;rights&quot; or privileges to us. Yes, as Christians we do have the priviledge to be able to come into Gods presence through prayer, etc, but this is not a &quot;right&quot;, not something that I own outright, it is a gracious concession from the Sovereign God, made possible by the atoning death and resurrection of His Son. We should be humbled by this, not proudly seizing and claiming our &quot;rights&quot; against one another. I think the best example of the damage that this misunderstanding has caused in modern western civilisation is the American Declaration of Independence. &quot;All men ...endowed with certain inalienable rights..&quot;. Says who? I do not see this language in the God breathed Holy Scriptures. This declaration, this false law, is ultimately, largely responsible for for the majority of the vociferous minority &quot;rights&quot; groups today and there &quot;political correctness&quot;.

Robert Phillips, Melton</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The whole concept of &#8220;rights&#8221; is an illusion. I am willing to be corrected on this, but, I believe the term &#8220;rights&#8221; as used in western civilization from the time of the &#8220;enlightenment&#8221; onwards originated from such documents as the Magna Carta and then the English Bill of Rights. However, I believe its original meaning especially in the Magna Carta was more a case of What was &#8220;Right&#8221; for the Sovereign to do towards and for His subjects. An obligation to your fellow man if you will. It did not mean, especially given the Gospel based nature of English society at that time (See the Coronation Oath), that the Kings subjects had or owned intrinsic &#8220;rights&#8221; in the sense that the term is used today. Ultimately unregenerate man has no rights before a Holy God that he has offended. The king was recognized as his loyal servant, there to execute His justice. Outside of Christ we are paupers that own nothing and have no standing before God, especially not &#8220;rights&#8221; against a Holy and Sovereign God. Furthermore, when Jesus summarized the law in the 2 great commandments, Love the Lord your God and Love your neigbour, He put obligations upon us. He did not impart &#8220;rights&#8221; or privileges to us. Yes, as Christians we do have the priviledge to be able to come into Gods presence through prayer, etc, but this is not a &#8220;right&#8221;, not something that I own outright, it is a gracious concession from the Sovereign God, made possible by the atoning death and resurrection of His Son. We should be humbled by this, not proudly seizing and claiming our &#8220;rights&#8221; against one another. I think the best example of the damage that this misunderstanding has caused in modern western civilisation is the American Declaration of Independence. &#8220;All men &#8230;endowed with certain inalienable rights..&#8221;. Says who? I do not see this language in the God breathed Holy Scriptures. This declaration, this false law, is ultimately, largely responsible for for the majority of the vociferous minority &#8220;rights&#8221; groups today and there &#8220;political correctness&#8221;.</p>
<p>Robert Phillips, Melton</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Muehlenberg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Muehlenberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2007 02:14:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Matt

But there is plenty more where that came from. Blogsites are not easily conducive to footnoting and proper referencing. There is so much data on this and related material that I need to put it all into book form. It is too much for short articles here.

As to these references, the first is this: The Los Angeles Times, August 25-26, 1985, but I can hunt up the rest of the reference. And the second is this: Journal of Sex and Marital Therapy, vol. 18, Spring,1992, pp. 34-43.

Bill Muehlenberg, CultureWatch</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Matt</p>
<p>But there is plenty more where that came from. Blogsites are not easily conducive to footnoting and proper referencing. There is so much data on this and related material that I need to put it all into book form. It is too much for short articles here.</p>
<p>As to these references, the first is this: The Los Angeles Times, August 25-26, 1985, but I can hunt up the rest of the reference. And the second is this: Journal of Sex and Marital Therapy, vol. 18, Spring,1992, pp. 34-43.</p>
<p>Bill Muehlenberg, CultureWatch</p>
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