Comments on: The Media and Abortion http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2007/08/26/the-media-and-abortion/ Bill Muehlenberg's commentary on issues of the day... Fri, 10 Feb 2012 03:50:32 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Bill Muehlenberg http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2007/08/26/the-media-and-abortion/comment-page-1/#comment-27581 Bill Muehlenberg Fri, 31 Aug 2007 02:19:53 +0000 http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2007/08/26/the-media-and-abortion/#comment-27581 Getting back to the issue of leftist media bias, the most recent proof of this was found in the Australian, August 30, 2007, in an article by David Salter, a former executive producer of the ABC's Media Watch. He admitted: “The long march of young liberal-humanist progressives through the ABC's many portals is as much a self-perpetuating cycle as the daughters of doctors choosing a medical career or the sons of great football players striving to match the sporting deeds of their fathers.” Bill Muehlenberg, CultureWatch Getting back to the issue of leftist media bias, the most recent proof of this was found in the Australian, August 30, 2007, in an article by David Salter, a former executive producer of the ABC’s Media Watch. He admitted: “The long march of young liberal-humanist progressives through the ABC’s many portals is as much a self-perpetuating cycle as the daughters of doctors choosing a medical career or the sons of great football players striving to match the sporting deeds of their fathers.”

Bill Muehlenberg, CultureWatch

]]> By: Robert Garvey http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2007/08/26/the-media-and-abortion/comment-page-1/#comment-27358 Robert Garvey Wed, 29 Aug 2007 07:53:10 +0000 http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2007/08/26/the-media-and-abortion/#comment-27358 A good piece of writing Bill; and I liked Ewan McDonald's remarks too, although espousing moral purity and consistency on the issue of abortion, I believe, is less effective in saving unborn life than taking a more practical approach and using modern techniques to change hearts and minds. The pro-abortion ascendancy was gained using sophisticated means over a long period of time. Pro-lifers need to get down off their high horse and get hands-on. Robert Garvey A good piece of writing Bill; and I liked Ewan McDonald’s remarks too, although espousing moral purity and consistency on the issue of abortion, I believe, is less effective in saving unborn life than taking a more practical approach and using modern techniques to change hearts and minds. The pro-abortion ascendancy was gained using sophisticated means over a long period of time. Pro-lifers need to get down off their high horse and get hands-on.
Robert Garvey

]]> By: Bill Muehlenberg http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2007/08/26/the-media-and-abortion/comment-page-1/#comment-27332 Bill Muehlenberg Wed, 29 Aug 2007 01:28:15 +0000 http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2007/08/26/the-media-and-abortion/#comment-27332 Thanks Tim Yes, as I have written elsewhere, there are some real differences between the Fairfax Press (the Age, etc.) and the Murdoch press (Australian, etc.) The former is quite leftwing, while the latter is more conservative on some issues. Bill Muehlenberg, CultureWatch Thanks Tim

Yes, as I have written elsewhere, there are some real differences between the Fairfax Press (the Age, etc.) and the Murdoch press (Australian, etc.) The former is quite leftwing, while the latter is more conservative on some issues.

Bill Muehlenberg, CultureWatch

]]> By: Tim Baker http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2007/08/26/the-media-and-abortion/comment-page-1/#comment-27316 Tim Baker Tue, 28 Aug 2007 22:51:04 +0000 http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2007/08/26/the-media-and-abortion/#comment-27316 I don't disagree at all, but The Age, CT and the SMH (though to a lesser extent, in my view) are the more left-leaning members of the MSM. The Australian and the tabloids are obviously far more on the right when it comes to economic issues & national security. If we could calculate some kind of index for right/left slant of the papers, and then take into account circulation numbers (The Age and CT are fairly low circulation, I think?), I reckon we'd find that in aggregate they're right-leaning on these issues. In any case, I'm of the view that on economic/national security issues, the right is winning (eg globalisation continues, national security policy is still fairly hardline), so commentators in The Age & CT are losing the battle. In contrast, when it comes to the social issues, we've got the whole of the MSM leaning to the left, and things are going pretty good for them (ie abortion laws, attacks on Christianity). So, on balance, I'm definitely with you that the slant of the MSM is a big problem for those with views like ours. Tim Baker I don’t disagree at all, but The Age, CT and the SMH (though to a lesser extent, in my view) are the more left-leaning members of the MSM. The Australian and the tabloids are obviously far more on the right when it comes to economic issues & national security.

If we could calculate some kind of index for right/left slant of the papers, and then take into account circulation numbers (The Age and CT are fairly low circulation, I think?), I reckon we’d find that in aggregate they’re right-leaning on these issues.

In any case, I’m of the view that on economic/national security issues, the right is winning (eg globalisation continues, national security policy is still fairly hardline), so commentators in The Age & CT are losing the battle. In contrast, when it comes to the social issues, we’ve got the whole of the MSM leaning to the left, and things are going pretty good for them (ie abortion laws, attacks on Christianity). So, on balance, I’m definitely with you that the slant of the MSM is a big problem for those with views like ours.

Tim Baker

]]> By: Bill Muehlenberg http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2007/08/26/the-media-and-abortion/comment-page-1/#comment-27230 Bill Muehlenberg Tue, 28 Aug 2007 06:43:11 +0000 http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2007/08/26/the-media-and-abortion/#comment-27230 Thanks Tim That may be perhaps broadly correct, although only just. A quick perusal of such papers as the SMH, the CT, the Age, will review plenty of anti-globalisation pieces, plenty of appeasement pieces regarding Islam, plenty of anti-Bush and anti-Iraq pieces, plenty of anti-government IR laws pieces, and so on. So I am not as convinced that the MSM is more to the right on these issues. Just look at the editorial pages of, say, the Age for a week. A very clear leftward slant on most issues can be found there, not just the moral issues. Bill Muehlenberg, CultureWatch Thanks Tim

That may be perhaps broadly correct, although only just. A quick perusal of such papers as the SMH, the CT, the Age, will review plenty of anti-globalisation pieces, plenty of appeasement pieces regarding Islam, plenty of anti-Bush and anti-Iraq pieces, plenty of anti-government IR laws pieces, and so on. So I am not as convinced that the MSM is more to the right on these issues.

Just look at the editorial pages of, say, the Age for a week. A very clear leftward slant on most issues can be found there, not just the moral issues.

Bill Muehlenberg, CultureWatch

]]> By: Tim Baker http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2007/08/26/the-media-and-abortion/comment-page-1/#comment-27228 Tim Baker Tue, 28 Aug 2007 06:32:03 +0000 http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2007/08/26/the-media-and-abortion/#comment-27228 Regarding the MSM leaning to the left/right, I'd suggest that perhaps James has economic issues more in mind, while Bill has social issues more in mind? If so, I think they're both correct. There's no question in my mind that the MSM lean to the left when it comes to abortion, gay marriage, Christianity as a whole etc, as Bill has said many times. But when it comes to the economy, as well as national security, I think you see more right-leaning commentary. For example, by and large, the message I get from the MSM is pro-deregulation and pro-globalisation. Tim Baker Regarding the MSM leaning to the left/right, I’d suggest that perhaps James has economic issues more in mind, while Bill has social issues more in mind? If so, I think they’re both correct. There’s no question in my mind that the MSM lean to the left when it comes to abortion, gay marriage, Christianity as a whole etc, as Bill has said many times.

But when it comes to the economy, as well as national security, I think you see more right-leaning commentary. For example, by and large, the message I get from the MSM is pro-deregulation and pro-globalisation.

Tim Baker

]]> By: Matthew Mulvaney http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2007/08/26/the-media-and-abortion/comment-page-1/#comment-27224 Matthew Mulvaney Tue, 28 Aug 2007 05:28:42 +0000 http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2007/08/26/the-media-and-abortion/#comment-27224 It appears that the world is going on an unstoppable downward slide. Morals, more and more are going out the window. I heard a uni lecturer mention briefly that the most dangerous place to be alive is in the womb (other than perhaps when you're very, very, very old). I have also heard a Christian friend of mine say that he felt physically sick when lectured on abortion at uni. It is time that Christians wake up, turn back to God and depend on him. We need revival. I believe that our nation is in moral decline that only God can stop. We need to pray. Matthew Mulvaney It appears that the world is going on an unstoppable downward slide. Morals, more and more are going out the window. I heard a uni lecturer mention briefly that the most dangerous place to be alive is in the womb (other than perhaps when you’re very, very, very old). I have also heard a Christian friend of mine say that he felt physically sick when lectured on abortion at uni.

It is time that Christians wake up, turn back to God and depend on him. We need revival. I believe that our nation is in moral decline that only God can stop. We need to pray.

Matthew Mulvaney

]]> By: Rebecca Field http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2007/08/26/the-media-and-abortion/comment-page-1/#comment-27029 Rebecca Field Sun, 26 Aug 2007 12:46:19 +0000 http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2007/08/26/the-media-and-abortion/#comment-27029 Susie, as a mature woman you can put the needs of the vulnerable before your own and bring out your creative, protective instinct towards this sudden suprise in the womb. We as a community can help you take up your better side and proceed forward in a healthy relationship with the unborn. That's why we all applaud mothers so much, because they are the selfless people in our lives. And there are a lot of selfless people who are willing to come alongside the distraught bearer of the child, who will try to help her to a rapid road to maturity in not just looking out for herself, her convenience, or her own agenda. Too often people realise too late all the damage they did by their decisions. Many women who have already had an abortion are now in that position. Most suffer. Others cover up the suffering and hurt with fierce defending of their actions. So they lead more people down their painful path. Susie, I thought for sure you'd want a woman's response. I strongly sense that Peter Singer has lost touch with his feminine side. Why are we listening to him anyway? Rebecca Field Susie, as a mature woman you can put the needs of the vulnerable before your own and bring out your creative, protective instinct towards this sudden suprise in the womb. We as a community can help you take up your better side and proceed forward in a healthy relationship with the unborn. That’s why we all applaud mothers so much, because they are the selfless people in our lives.

And there are a lot of selfless people who are willing to come alongside the distraught bearer of the child, who will try to help her to a rapid road to maturity in not just looking out for herself, her convenience, or her own agenda.

Too often people realise too late all the damage they did by their decisions. Many women who have already had an abortion are now in that position. Most suffer. Others cover up the suffering and hurt with fierce defending of their actions. So they lead more people down their painful path.

Susie, I thought for sure you’d want a woman’s response. I strongly sense that Peter Singer has lost touch with his feminine side. Why are we listening to him anyway?

Rebecca Field

]]> By: Bill Muehlenberg http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2007/08/26/the-media-and-abortion/comment-page-1/#comment-27004 Bill Muehlenberg Sun, 26 Aug 2007 08:46:56 +0000 http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2007/08/26/the-media-and-abortion/#comment-27004 Thanks James Actually in earlier posts along this line I have offered such documentation. But what would you call “right”? If you consider the Age, the SHM, the CT, and so on to be leaning to the right, then that must place you well to the extreme left. Bill Muehlenberg, CultureWatch Thanks James

Actually in earlier posts along this line I have offered such documentation. But what would you call “right”? If you consider the Age, the SHM, the CT, and so on to be leaning to the right, then that must place you well to the extreme left.

Bill Muehlenberg, CultureWatch

]]> By: James Beattie http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2007/08/26/the-media-and-abortion/comment-page-1/#comment-27002 James Beattie Sun, 26 Aug 2007 08:36:24 +0000 http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2007/08/26/the-media-and-abortion/#comment-27002 >>"Numerous studies have shown that those in the media tend to be mainly of the left". I think you need to back this one up with a citation or two. Personally I would say that most media in Australia tends to lean to the right. James Beattie >>”Numerous studies have shown that those in the media tend to be mainly of the left”.

I think you need to back this one up with a citation or two. Personally I would say that most media in Australia tends to lean to the right.

James Beattie

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