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	<title>Comments on: No, We Do Not Worship the Same God</title>
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		<title>By: Jane Byrne</title>
		<link>http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2007/08/19/no-we-do-not-worship-the-same-god/comment-page-1/#comment-200098</link>
		<dc:creator>Jane Byrne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Aug 2010 13:53:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>God bless you Bill, you are truly amazing! My family prays that you can &quot;keep on keeping on!&quot;
Jane Byrne</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>God bless you Bill, you are truly amazing! My family prays that you can &#8220;keep on keeping on!&#8221;<br />
Jane Byrne</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Muehlenberg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Muehlenberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2010 00:07:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks again Adrian

Yes good point and I can speak to my computer guy about this. But the short answer is this: if you simply click on ‘CultureWatch’ on the top left of every page, that will take you back to the home page.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks again Adrian</p>
<p>Yes good point and I can speak to my computer guy about this. But the short answer is this: if you simply click on ‘CultureWatch’ on the top left of every page, that will take you back to the home page.</p>
<p>Bill Muehlenberg, CultureWatch</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Muehlenberg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Muehlenberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2010 00:07:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Adrian

While a full article would be needed to do proper justice to this somewhat complex debate, let me just mention a few things. There are of course many passages which speak of Jesus being the only way of salvation, and of the need to hear this specifically, eg., John 3:18; Acts 4:12, Romans 10:9-15, etc.

But passages which speak of natural theology, or general revelation, such as Romans 1-2 seem to say only this: there is enough in the natural world to convince us of God’s existence, and therefore render us without excuse. But this knowledge is only enough to condemn us, not enough to save us. That is why the preaching of the gospel is so vital.

But as I say, this needs to be teased out in more detail, something hard to do in a short comment.

Bill Muehlenberg, CultureWatch</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Adrian</p>
<p>While a full article would be needed to do proper justice to this somewhat complex debate, let me just mention a few things. There are of course many passages which speak of Jesus being the only way of salvation, and of the need to hear this specifically, eg., John 3:18; Acts 4:12, Romans 10:9-15, etc.</p>
<p>But passages which speak of natural theology, or general revelation, such as Romans 1-2 seem to say only this: there is enough in the natural world to convince us of God’s existence, and therefore render us without excuse. But this knowledge is only enough to condemn us, not enough to save us. That is why the preaching of the gospel is so vital.</p>
<p>But as I say, this needs to be teased out in more detail, something hard to do in a short comment.</p>
<p>Bill Muehlenberg, CultureWatch</p>
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		<title>By: Adrian Woodcraft</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adrian Woodcraft</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 15:11:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bill,

This is off topic but I can&#039;t find any where else to write it. 

I find the navigation of this sight a bit incomprehensible. 

How hard would it be to add something to the home page which clearly identifies it AS the home page? 

How hard would it then be to add links to all (or even most) other pages which make it possible to return to the home page? 

Some people get referred into your site by links from elsewhere that drop them directly into an article.  Without the requested link, how do these people get back to home page?

Thanks,

Adrian Woodcraft, Brisbane, Australia</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill,</p>
<p>This is off topic but I can&#8217;t find any where else to write it. </p>
<p>I find the navigation of this sight a bit incomprehensible. </p>
<p>How hard would it be to add something to the home page which clearly identifies it AS the home page? </p>
<p>How hard would it then be to add links to all (or even most) other pages which make it possible to return to the home page? </p>
<p>Some people get referred into your site by links from elsewhere that drop them directly into an article.  Without the requested link, how do these people get back to home page?</p>
<p>Thanks,</p>
<p>Adrian Woodcraft, Brisbane, Australia</p>
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		<title>By: Adrian Woodcraft</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adrian Woodcraft</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 15:05:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>`
Hmmm...

Well, I&#039;ve just had a quick read of the &quot;never-heard&quot; link that Dave posted.  It seems to be clear enough that those who have never heard the NAME of Jesus can still find God (his father?) if they truly seek Him,  through nature.  

So... 
On the authority of this verse, those who have never heard (the name of Jesus) in this present day CAN be saved, but it depends on the desire of their heart.  But you do not find the name of Jesus, or the historical facts of his crucifixion, written in Nature.  

So, apparently people who desire God with all their hearts CAN be saved without necessarily knowing the mechanism by which it happens, or perhaps without even knowing that previously they were condemned???

Adrian Woodcraft, Brisbane, Australia</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>`<br />
Hmmm&#8230;</p>
<p>Well, I&#8217;ve just had a quick read of the &#8220;never-heard&#8221; link that Dave posted.  It seems to be clear enough that those who have never heard the NAME of Jesus can still find God (his father?) if they truly seek Him,  through nature.  </p>
<p>So&#8230;<br />
On the authority of this verse, those who have never heard (the name of Jesus) in this present day CAN be saved, but it depends on the desire of their heart.  But you do not find the name of Jesus, or the historical facts of his crucifixion, written in Nature.  </p>
<p>So, apparently people who desire God with all their hearts CAN be saved without necessarily knowing the mechanism by which it happens, or perhaps without even knowing that previously they were condemned???</p>
<p>Adrian Woodcraft, Brisbane, Australia</p>
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		<title>By: Trevor Faggotter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Trevor Faggotter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2007 08:19:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The heart of the matter lies in knowing the Father.
And this, through his Son, by revelation from the Spirit. 
This revelation must come home personally, to a Jew and to a Muslim, and an Atheist, and a Christian!  
Only God can do this. We can not argue anyone into the family of the Father. 

Paul said&quot; &#039;Yet for us there is one God, the Father&#039; (1Cor. 8:6). We must come to grips with this even in today&#039;s Christian church. Many only pray &#039;O God...&#039;, and refuse to come to the Father, in faith, reconciled.

Allah does not have a Son. 
(Just a book, given to &quot;the prophet&quot;).

Even, to the Jews who failed to acknowledge Jesus as the Messiah, Jesus needed to say: &#039;You are of your father the devil&#039;. Judaism may have the OT, but they must not &#039;search the scriptures for life&#039;, and yet refuse to come to him, of whom &#039;all the Scriptures&#039; speak.

The times of ignorance, God has overlooked, folks, but now he commands all people everywhere to repent and believe the gospel - Christ Jesus is our future. And our present life, too.

Trevor Faggotter</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The heart of the matter lies in knowing the Father.<br />
And this, through his Son, by revelation from the Spirit.<br />
This revelation must come home personally, to a Jew and to a Muslim, and an Atheist, and a Christian!<br />
Only God can do this. We can not argue anyone into the family of the Father. </p>
<p>Paul said&#8221; &#8216;Yet for us there is one God, the Father&#8217; (1Cor. 8:6). We must come to grips with this even in today&#8217;s Christian church. Many only pray &#8216;O God&#8230;&#8217;, and refuse to come to the Father, in faith, reconciled.</p>
<p>Allah does not have a Son.<br />
(Just a book, given to &#8220;the prophet&#8221;).</p>
<p>Even, to the Jews who failed to acknowledge Jesus as the Messiah, Jesus needed to say: &#8216;You are of your father the devil&#8217;. Judaism may have the OT, but they must not &#8216;search the scriptures for life&#8217;, and yet refuse to come to him, of whom &#8216;all the Scriptures&#8217; speak.</p>
<p>The times of ignorance, God has overlooked, folks, but now he commands all people everywhere to repent and believe the gospel &#8211; Christ Jesus is our future. And our present life, too.</p>
<p>Trevor Faggotter</p>
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		<title>By: jim</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Sep 2007 03:12:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Frank
An American politician once said &quot;it&#039;s not the things in the Bible that I don&#039;t understand that worry me, it&#039;s the things that I do.&quot;
I have fellowship with &quot;many Christians&quot; and to be honest I would find it difficult to find &quot;one&quot; who would agree with your interpretations of scripture.
Remember any text taken out of context is a pretext.
If not agreeing with you makes me a hard hearted and militant Christian then so be it.
The Bible does not allow for &quot;fence sitters.&quot;
Jim Sturla</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Frank<br />
An American politician once said &#8220;it&#8217;s not the things in the Bible that I don&#8217;t understand that worry me, it&#8217;s the things that I do.&#8221;<br />
I have fellowship with &#8220;many Christians&#8221; and to be honest I would find it difficult to find &#8220;one&#8221; who would agree with your interpretations of scripture.<br />
Remember any text taken out of context is a pretext.<br />
If not agreeing with you makes me a hard hearted and militant Christian then so be it.<br />
The Bible does not allow for &#8220;fence sitters.&#8221;<br />
Jim Sturla</p>
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		<title>By: david skinner</title>
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		<dc:creator>david skinner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Sep 2007 20:10:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Frank, you seem to be closing the door. I have just found this on: http://www.gotquestions.org/never-heard.html :

If we assume that those who never hear the Gospel are granted mercy from God, we will run into a terrible problem. If people who never hear the Gospel are saved…we should make sure that no one ever hears the Gospel. The worst thing we could do would be to share the Gospel with a person and have him or her reject it. If that were to happen, he or she would be condemned. People who do not hear the Gospel must be condemned, or else there is no motive for evangelism. Why run the risk of people possibly rejecting the Gospel and condemning themselves – when they were previously saved because they had never heard the Gospel?

David Skinner, UK</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frank, you seem to be closing the door. I have just found this on: <a href="http://www.gotquestions.org/never-heard.html" rel="nofollow">www.gotquestions.org/never-heard.html</a> :</p>
<p>If we assume that those who never hear the Gospel are granted mercy from God, we will run into a terrible problem. If people who never hear the Gospel are saved…we should make sure that no one ever hears the Gospel. The worst thing we could do would be to share the Gospel with a person and have him or her reject it. If that were to happen, he or she would be condemned. People who do not hear the Gospel must be condemned, or else there is no motive for evangelism. Why run the risk of people possibly rejecting the Gospel and condemning themselves – when they were previously saved because they had never heard the Gospel?</p>
<p>David Skinner, UK</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Muehlenberg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Muehlenberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Sep 2007 08:01:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Frank

Yes progress seems slow here. Let me summarise all that I have been saying: Most Christians would agree that this passage is the very centre of the Christian gospel: “For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him.  Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.” (John 3:16-18)

That is the gospel which I affirm and declare. I am at an absolute loss as to why that makes me a “hard-hearted, militant” Christian. Can you explain that to me?

Bill Muehlenberg, CultureWatch</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Frank</p>
<p>Yes progress seems slow here. Let me summarise all that I have been saying: Most Christians would agree that this passage is the very centre of the Christian gospel: “For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him.  Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.” (John 3:16-18)</p>
<p>That is the gospel which I affirm and declare. I am at an absolute loss as to why that makes me a “hard-hearted, militant” Christian. Can you explain that to me?</p>
<p>Bill Muehlenberg, CultureWatch</p>
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		<title>By: Frank O'Hare, ACT</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank O'Hare, ACT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Sep 2007 07:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bill,

You have asserted many things here that you claim are &quot;basic&quot; or &quot;quintessential&quot; elements of Christianity but it is only your opinion based on your interpretation of scripture.

Many Christians are in disagreement over interpretation and emphasis, yet you speak as if all of Christianity is at one on these matters.  

I&#039;ve stated my case for rejecting your assertions.  You&#039;ve stated your case, but you practice a brand of hard-hearted, militant Christianity that is foreign to me, and your image of God is a far cry from the loving God of mercy, compassion, intelligence, and infinite wisdom that I know.

I have nothing more to say on this topic.  Amen.

Frank O&#039;Hare, ACT</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill,</p>
<p>You have asserted many things here that you claim are &#8220;basic&#8221; or &#8220;quintessential&#8221; elements of Christianity but it is only your opinion based on your interpretation of scripture.</p>
<p>Many Christians are in disagreement over interpretation and emphasis, yet you speak as if all of Christianity is at one on these matters.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve stated my case for rejecting your assertions.  You&#8217;ve stated your case, but you practice a brand of hard-hearted, militant Christianity that is foreign to me, and your image of God is a far cry from the loving God of mercy, compassion, intelligence, and infinite wisdom that I know.</p>
<p>I have nothing more to say on this topic.  Amen.</p>
<p>Frank O&#8217;Hare, ACT</p>
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