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		<title>By: Jonathan Sarfati</title>
		<link>http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2007/07/24/outsmarting-deception/comment-page-1/#comment-24671</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Sarfati</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Aug 2007 01:27:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanx Stan.  Are you referring to &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.creationontheweb.com/content/view/4014/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Evolution &amp; creation, science &amp; religion, facts &amp; bias&lt;/a&gt;, ch. 1 of my book &lt;i&gt;Refuting Evolution&lt;/i&gt;?
Jonathan Sarfati, Brisbane</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanx Stan.  Are you referring to <a href="http://www.creationontheweb.com/content/view/4014/" rel="nofollow">Evolution &amp; creation, science &amp; religion, facts &amp; bias</a>, ch. 1 of my book <i>Refuting Evolution</i>?<br />
Jonathan Sarfati, Brisbane</p>
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		<title>By: Stan Fishley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stan Fishley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 12:15:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Jonathon Safarti, love your posts. Can you let me know how to find your impressive paper &#039;Science and Bias&#039;? 
Stan Fishley</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jonathon Safarti, love your posts. Can you let me know how to find your impressive paper &#8216;Science and Bias&#8217;?<br />
Stan Fishley</p>
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		<title>By: Stan Fishley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stan Fishley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 12:05:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Bill, I suggest that this post be read with your post of 18 September 2006: &quot;Are Our Universities Biased?&quot;
Stan Fishley</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Bill, I suggest that this post be read with your post of 18 September 2006: &#8220;Are Our Universities Biased?&#8221;<br />
Stan Fishley</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 06:10:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The term &quot;homophobia&quot; sugests a fear.
I do not agree with the homosexual lifestyle but I certainly am not afraid of them.
Why is it that if I speak against them they tell me it is because I am scared?
What am I afaid of?
Does this mean that my stance against adultery, drunkeness, gambling, divorce , etc is also done out of a sense of fear?
I am so tired of being classified as a second class citizen because my view is different to to the intellengtsia or the politically correct.
Jim Sturla</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The term &#8220;homophobia&#8221; sugests a fear.<br />
I do not agree with the homosexual lifestyle but I certainly am not afraid of them.<br />
Why is it that if I speak against them they tell me it is because I am scared?<br />
What am I afaid of?<br />
Does this mean that my stance against adultery, drunkeness, gambling, divorce , etc is also done out of a sense of fear?<br />
I am so tired of being classified as a second class citizen because my view is different to to the intellengtsia or the politically correct.<br />
Jim Sturla</p>
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		<title>By: Victoria</title>
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		<dc:creator>Victoria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 01:14:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Bill,
Thought I&#039;d drop a line and say &#039;thanks&#039;.  It never ceases to amaze me how our very own taxes are being used against us, to promote a cause that is baseless and lacks thought and rationale.  It&#039;s also suspect how it singles out Christianity and not other prominent faiths - Christo-phobic perhaps?
Victoria Kalapac</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Bill,<br />
Thought I&#8217;d drop a line and say &#8216;thanks&#8217;.  It never ceases to amaze me how our very own taxes are being used against us, to promote a cause that is baseless and lacks thought and rationale.  It&#8217;s also suspect how it singles out Christianity and not other prominent faiths &#8211; Christo-phobic perhaps?<br />
Victoria Kalapac</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Treacy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Treacy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jul 2007 05:33:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great article, Bill.
Thanks for all the sensible argument and clear logic.
Michael Treacy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article, Bill.<br />
Thanks for all the sensible argument and clear logic.<br />
Michael Treacy</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Sarfati</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathan Sarfati</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2007 09:03:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s notable that Dr Robert Spitzer, once the great hero of the homosexual movement for persuading the American Psychiatric Association to remove ‘homosexuality’ as a ‘disorder’, has now become a pariah for &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.townhall.com/columnists/MaggieGallagher/2001/05/10/fixing_sexual_orientation&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;saying&lt;/a&gt;:

&lt;blockquote&gt; “(S)ome people can change from gay to straight, and we ought to acknowledge that.” &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Jonathan Sarfati, Brisbane</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s notable that Dr Robert Spitzer, once the great hero of the homosexual movement for persuading the American Psychiatric Association to remove ‘homosexuality’ as a ‘disorder’, has now become a pariah for <a href="http://www.townhall.com/columnists/MaggieGallagher/2001/05/10/fixing_sexual_orientation" rel="nofollow">saying</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p> “(S)ome people can change from gay to straight, and we ought to acknowledge that.” </p></blockquote>
<p>Jonathan Sarfati, Brisbane</p>
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		<title>By: david skinner</title>
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		<dc:creator>david skinner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2007 08:26:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s a mountain of evidence that shows the practice of homosexuality leads to sexually transmitted diseases, to mental and emotional illness, and finally to death:
http://www.leaderu.com/jhs/satinover.html 
http://www.leaderu.com/orgs/narth/satinovr.html
http://www.narth.com/
http://www.anglican-mainstream.net/?page_id=789

Apart from these practical reasons, Christians should ‘come out of the closet’ and declare as lovingly as possible our implacable opposition to homosexuality simply because our children are being forced to believe lies and teachers and parents are being forced to put the axe to Truth, through re-education and diversity programmes - soon to be an area near you. 

David Skinner, UK</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s a mountain of evidence that shows the practice of homosexuality leads to sexually transmitted diseases, to mental and emotional illness, and finally to death:<br />
<a href="http://www.leaderu.com/jhs/satinover.html" title="http://www.leaderu.com/jhs/satinover.html" class="autohyperlink" target="_blank">http://www.leaderu.com/jhs/satinover.html</a><br />
<a href="http://www.leaderu.com/orgs/narth/satinovr.html" title="http://www.leaderu.com/orgs/narth/satinovr.html" class="autohyperlink" target="_blank">http://www.leaderu.com/orgs/narth/satinovr.html</a><br />
<a href="http://www.narth.com/" title="http://www.narth.com/" class="autohyperlink" target="_blank">http://www.narth.com/</a><br />
<a href="http://www.anglican-mainstream.net/?page_id=789" title="http://www.anglican-mainstream.net/?page_id=789" class="autohyperlink" target="_blank">http://www.anglican-mainstream.net/?page_id=789</a></p>
<p>Apart from these practical reasons, Christians should ‘come out of the closet’ and declare as lovingly as possible our implacable opposition to homosexuality simply because our children are being forced to believe lies and teachers and parents are being forced to put the axe to Truth, through re-education and diversity programmes &#8211; soon to be an area near you. </p>
<p>David Skinner, UK</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Muehlenberg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Muehlenberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2007 05:08:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Matt

But of course I did not bring up the APA. The POSH booklet did, so I was merely responding to their misleading information. And in one sense, I don’t really care what the APA says. They have changed their tune on a number of issues over the years, including the issue of paedophilia. They even said recently that child sexual abuse by adults may not really be so bad after all. If the APA wants to in effect defend paedophilia, then it has lost all credibility in my books.

And yes, majority opinion doesn’t necessarily mean beans. The majority of Germans in the 1930s approved of what the Nazis were doing. Does that make it right?

And all kinds of groups and individuals can be cowed into doing things for all kinds of reasons: for fear of being labelled intolerant or politically incorrect, for fear of losing a job or career because of the stigma attached to daring to criticise the homosexual agenda, and so on. So there can be all sorts of reasons why 60 per cent of the voting members of the APA went along with the change.

As you admit, there were plenty of heavy-handed tactics involved to force this change. I have seen on numerous occasions how the intimidation and bullying of homosexual activists has led to outcomes going their way. So although homosexuals are relatively few in number, they more than make up for this as they continually push their agenda. They have cleverly and strategically got themselves placed in all the institutions of power and influence. They are well ensconced in the media, in academia, in groups like the APA, etc. So they now have, along with many sympathetic allies, enormous power to intimidate and bully people into caving in to their agendas.

But the bottom line is this: why should we pay any heed to the APA? In the past it normalised homosexuality. The way it is now heading, it may well soon normalise paedophilia. I think it is safe to say that there is probably more wisdom and sanity on these issues to be found in the first 50 people listed in the white pages than from the folk at the APA.

Bill Muehlenberg, CultureWatch</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Matt</p>
<p>But of course I did not bring up the APA. The POSH booklet did, so I was merely responding to their misleading information. And in one sense, I don’t really care what the APA says. They have changed their tune on a number of issues over the years, including the issue of paedophilia. They even said recently that child sexual abuse by adults may not really be so bad after all. If the APA wants to in effect defend paedophilia, then it has lost all credibility in my books.</p>
<p>And yes, majority opinion doesn’t necessarily mean beans. The majority of Germans in the 1930s approved of what the Nazis were doing. Does that make it right?</p>
<p>And all kinds of groups and individuals can be cowed into doing things for all kinds of reasons: for fear of being labelled intolerant or politically incorrect, for fear of losing a job or career because of the stigma attached to daring to criticise the homosexual agenda, and so on. So there can be all sorts of reasons why 60 per cent of the voting members of the APA went along with the change.</p>
<p>As you admit, there were plenty of heavy-handed tactics involved to force this change. I have seen on numerous occasions how the intimidation and bullying of homosexual activists has led to outcomes going their way. So although homosexuals are relatively few in number, they more than make up for this as they continually push their agenda. They have cleverly and strategically got themselves placed in all the institutions of power and influence. They are well ensconced in the media, in academia, in groups like the APA, etc. So they now have, along with many sympathetic allies, enormous power to intimidate and bully people into caving in to their agendas.</p>
<p>But the bottom line is this: why should we pay any heed to the APA? In the past it normalised homosexuality. The way it is now heading, it may well soon normalise paedophilia. I think it is safe to say that there is probably more wisdom and sanity on these issues to be found in the first 50 people listed in the white pages than from the folk at the APA.</p>
<p>Bill Muehlenberg, CultureWatch</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Page</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt Page</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2007 04:16:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Bill
You by now would be aware of my criticisms of the content of this essay, so I won&#039;t repeat them. But, I do take issue with one thing you and other high-profile Christian fundamentalists take issue with - the APA&#039;s decision to remove homosexuality from the DSM-IV.
Why do you keep bringing this up. Sure, I&#039;ll accept that homosexual activist bullying played a major part in this event, but that does not explain why homosexuality has still, after 34 years, not been put back onto the DSM-IV. Surely if the majority of psychologists on the APA considered homosexuality to be a mental illness, then its removal would now be reversed. And, as you keep saying, only 1-2% of the population is gay, so how could such a small percentage of people continue to hold such power over the APA?
I&#039;m sure you&#039;ll tell me that whether the majority believes something to be true or not is irrelevant, because, of course, your God&#039;s truth can only be the only truth possible. But can you provide me with any other reason why the majority of individuals don&#039;t consider homosexuality to be a mental illness?
I&#039;m sure you&#039;ll be very interested to here the APA Taskforce&#039;s evaluation of reparative therapy of homosexuality in the near future...
Matt Page</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Bill<br />
You by now would be aware of my criticisms of the content of this essay, so I won&#8217;t repeat them. But, I do take issue with one thing you and other high-profile Christian fundamentalists take issue with &#8211; the APA&#8217;s decision to remove homosexuality from the DSM-IV.<br />
Why do you keep bringing this up. Sure, I&#8217;ll accept that homosexual activist bullying played a major part in this event, but that does not explain why homosexuality has still, after 34 years, not been put back onto the DSM-IV. Surely if the majority of psychologists on the APA considered homosexuality to be a mental illness, then its removal would now be reversed. And, as you keep saying, only 1-2% of the population is gay, so how could such a small percentage of people continue to hold such power over the APA?<br />
I&#8217;m sure you&#8217;ll tell me that whether the majority believes something to be true or not is irrelevant, because, of course, your God&#8217;s truth can only be the only truth possible. But can you provide me with any other reason why the majority of individuals don&#8217;t consider homosexuality to be a mental illness?<br />
I&#8217;m sure you&#8217;ll be very interested to here the APA Taskforce&#8217;s evaluation of reparative therapy of homosexuality in the near future&#8230;<br />
Matt Page</p>
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