Comments on: The Mainstreaming of Sleaze http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2007/06/27/the-mainstreaming-of-sleaze/ Bill Muehlenberg's commentary on issues of the day... Fri, 10 Feb 2012 10:27:21 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Ewan http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2007/06/27/the-mainstreaming-of-sleaze/comment-page-1/#comment-22637 Ewan Mon, 09 Jul 2007 10:46:04 +0000 http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2007/06/27/the-mainstreaming-of-sleaze/#comment-22637 Frank, you misunderstood me. I meant, was the devotion given at a church group? - not, are the Dixie Chicks a church group?! I agree with your appraisal of their politics. I hope the devotional wasn't suggesting that Christians should be making some of the same political statements that the DCs make. Ewan McDonald, Victoria. Frank, you misunderstood me. I meant, was the devotion given at a church group? – not, are the Dixie Chicks a church group?! I agree with your appraisal of their politics. I hope the devotional wasn’t suggesting that Christians should be making some of the same political statements that the DCs make.

Ewan McDonald, Victoria.

]]> By: Frank BELLET http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2007/06/27/the-mainstreaming-of-sleaze/comment-page-1/#comment-21936 Frank BELLET Sun, 01 Jul 2007 09:32:09 +0000 http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2007/06/27/the-mainstreaming-of-sleaze/#comment-21936 Ewan The Dixie Chicks are no spiritual group. They are a left wing group of immature women, who are prepared to rubbish their country while overseas. I have visited their home base Nashville, Tennessee, many times during my radio career, interviewing many country music singers and musicians. It is interesting that the vast majority of these people were conservative in their politics and generally favourable to religion. Frank Bellet, Petrie Queensland Ewan
The Dixie Chicks are no spiritual group. They are a left wing group of immature women, who are prepared to rubbish their country while overseas. I have visited their home base Nashville, Tennessee, many times during my radio career, interviewing many country music singers and musicians. It is interesting that the vast majority of these people were conservative in their politics and generally favourable to religion.
Frank Bellet, Petrie Queensland

]]> By: Angela http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2007/06/27/the-mainstreaming-of-sleaze/comment-page-1/#comment-21930 Angela Sun, 01 Jul 2007 07:01:53 +0000 http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2007/06/27/the-mainstreaming-of-sleaze/#comment-21930 A side issue but concerning for a mother of young girls. There is much to say about the pornification of the fashion industry and the role of raunch culture. Finding modest and fashionable clothes is a major challenge. But increasingly it is also a challenge to find fashionable clothes that are appropriate to the season. Winter is the time when I am gobsmacked about how, despite below 10 degree temperatures, young women and girls feel that they must wear an outfit designed for a mild Los Angeles day. It seems that young women must look like Britney and Paris regardless of their geographic location of the season of the year or the weather of the day. It is very hard to find warm clothes in department stores or chain stores geared to young women and girls. Is this progress for women? I suppose that warm clothes are not sexy enough to be accommodated within the dictates of Raunch culture. Angela Conway A side issue but concerning for a mother of young girls. There is much to say about the pornification of the fashion industry and the role of raunch culture. Finding modest and fashionable clothes is a major challenge.

But increasingly it is also a challenge to find fashionable clothes that are appropriate to the season. Winter is the time when I am gobsmacked about how, despite below 10 degree temperatures, young women and girls feel that they must wear an outfit designed for a mild Los Angeles day. It seems that young women must look like Britney and Paris regardless of their geographic location of the season of the year or the weather of the day. It is very hard to find warm clothes in department stores or chain stores geared to young women and girls. Is this progress for women? I suppose that warm clothes are not sexy enough to be accommodated within the dictates of Raunch culture.

Angela Conway

]]> By: Ian Brearley http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2007/06/27/the-mainstreaming-of-sleaze/comment-page-1/#comment-21901 Ian Brearley Sat, 30 Jun 2007 22:56:17 +0000 http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2007/06/27/the-mainstreaming-of-sleaze/#comment-21901 Bill you are absolutely right with your statement that what gives us a thrill last year is a bit boring this year. When I was in my young rebellious hippie youth, I was also into motorbikes. I found that if 95 MPH (miles per hour to you yung-uns) gave me a buzz then, that I now needed 100 MPH for the same buzz. I found that using dope, alcohol or speed (the racing variety) all caused lowered standards in me. To use these things to numb the pain of our upbringing will always cause us trouble. We all need the peace of God in our hearts to be able to function as the Father intended us to. Ian Brearley Bill you are absolutely right with your statement that what gives us a thrill last year is a bit boring this year. When I was in my young rebellious hippie youth, I was also into motorbikes. I found that if 95 MPH (miles per hour to you yung-uns) gave me a buzz then, that I now needed 100 MPH for the same buzz. I found that using dope, alcohol or speed (the racing variety) all caused lowered standards in me. To use these things to numb the pain of our upbringing will always cause us trouble. We all need the peace of God in our hearts to be able to function as the Father intended us to.
Ian Brearley

]]> By: Ewan http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2007/06/27/the-mainstreaming-of-sleaze/comment-page-1/#comment-21795 Ewan Fri, 29 Jun 2007 13:49:43 +0000 http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2007/06/27/the-mainstreaming-of-sleaze/#comment-21795 There is a dilemma here re TV. Some years ago my wife and I decided to ditch the TV altogether. Now we are spared the filth but we don't know when we need to object. What is "Nandos"? Jeremy, I can't imagine a devotional group that included the Dixie Chicks. Was this a church group? Can you say more or maybe email me privately? Ewan McDonald, Victoria. There is a dilemma here re TV. Some years ago my wife and I decided to ditch the TV altogether. Now we are spared the filth but we don’t know when we need to object. What is “Nandos”?

Jeremy, I can’t imagine a devotional group that included the Dixie Chicks. Was this a church group? Can you say more or maybe email me privately?

Ewan McDonald, Victoria.

]]> By: Frank BELLET http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2007/06/27/the-mainstreaming-of-sleaze/comment-page-1/#comment-21770 Frank BELLET Fri, 29 Jun 2007 06:59:49 +0000 http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2007/06/27/the-mainstreaming-of-sleaze/#comment-21770 Some time ago I was annoyed to see a commercial for a well known chicken takeaway, which featured one man lying on another man suggesting an act of sodomy. The man on top, then put his index finger to his mouth in a "shush" suggesting sign. That ad appeared only once. Perhaps someone complained or perhaps it was intended to be run once as a forerunner to their other comercials, which appeared. In them you 'd notice that a couple (male and female) rarely appear. Almost always, two males turn up together to buy their product. Personally I never purchase their chicken, as I have too much respect for my stomach, but with that sort of advertising, if I did eat their rubbish, I'd stop. What percentage of people do they think they're attracting? Keep an eye out for the ads. Frank Bellet, Petrie, Queensland Some time ago I was annoyed to see a commercial for a well known chicken takeaway, which featured one man lying on another man suggesting an act of sodomy. The man on top, then put his index finger to his mouth in a “shush” suggesting sign. That ad appeared only once. Perhaps someone complained or perhaps it was intended to be run once as a forerunner to their other comercials, which appeared. In them you ‘d notice that a couple (male and female) rarely appear. Almost always, two males turn up together to buy their product. Personally I never purchase their chicken, as I have too much respect for my stomach, but with that sort of advertising, if I did eat their rubbish, I’d stop. What percentage of people do they think they’re attracting? Keep an eye out for the ads.
Frank Bellet, Petrie, Queensland

]]> By: Melinda Liszewski http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2007/06/27/the-mainstreaming-of-sleaze/comment-page-1/#comment-21762 Melinda Liszewski Fri, 29 Jun 2007 04:54:01 +0000 http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2007/06/27/the-mainstreaming-of-sleaze/#comment-21762 The age isn't the only culprit. The courier mail has photo galleries dedicated increasingly to womens bodies. They had extensive photo coverage of miss universe and brazillian models. Just recently they included six photographs all of a tennis players underwear - apparently the fact that she is wearing red undies under her dress is newsworthy. It is encouraging though, that recently an overseas journalist refused to cover a story on Paris Hilton. You can see the youtube video here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VdNcCcweL0 Melinda Liszewski The age isn’t the only culprit. The courier mail has photo galleries dedicated increasingly to womens bodies. They had extensive photo coverage of miss universe and brazillian models. Just recently they included six photographs all of a tennis players underwear – apparently the fact that she is wearing red undies under her dress is newsworthy.

It is encouraging though, that recently an overseas journalist refused to cover a story on Paris Hilton. You can see the youtube video here: www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VdNcCcweL0

Melinda Liszewski

]]> By: Bill Muehlenberg http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2007/06/27/the-mainstreaming-of-sleaze/comment-page-1/#comment-21750 Bill Muehlenberg Thu, 28 Jun 2007 23:35:02 +0000 http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2007/06/27/the-mainstreaming-of-sleaze/#comment-21750 Thanks Jeremy Can I make a suggestion? Instead of just turning off the TV, do one further thing: write or call the offending company – in this case Nandos – and complain about their horrible ads. Turning off the TV is a good start, but letting the offending companies know what you think is also very important. Regards, Bill Muehlenberg, CultureWatch Thanks Jeremy
Can I make a suggestion? Instead of just turning off the TV, do one further thing: write or call the offending company – in this case Nandos – and complain about their horrible ads. Turning off the TV is a good start, but letting the offending companies know what you think is also very important.
Regards, Bill Muehlenberg, CultureWatch

]]> By: Jeremy Peet http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2007/06/27/the-mainstreaming-of-sleaze/comment-page-1/#comment-21745 Jeremy Peet Thu, 28 Jun 2007 22:18:02 +0000 http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2007/06/27/the-mainstreaming-of-sleaze/#comment-21745 Thanks again, Bill. The boiling frog in water analogy is most apt. Perhaps we should consider how far each of us has been boiled? I was part of a devotional group recently where discussion included the ladies music group "Dixie Chicks". Here, in the middle of a devotional time, we had three naked women on the big screen, taken from what I believe is an album cover. Although they are strategically positioned to omit actual genitalia by the centimetre, all eyes except mine were focussed on the screen for some period. If you happen to be watching tv and the Nando's chicken add comes on do we (men especially) turn away or turn it off? What about that movie when the obligatory love scene comes on? Do we have zero tolerance? 30% tolerance? 60%? Jeremy Peet Thanks again, Bill. The boiling frog in water analogy is most apt. Perhaps we should consider how far each of us has been boiled?

I was part of a devotional group recently where discussion included the ladies music group “Dixie Chicks”. Here, in the middle of a devotional time, we had three naked women on the big screen, taken from what I believe is an album cover. Although they are strategically positioned to omit actual genitalia by the centimetre, all eyes except mine were focussed on the screen for some period.

If you happen to be watching tv and the Nando’s chicken add comes on do we (men especially) turn away or turn it off? What about that movie when the obligatory love scene comes on?

Do we have zero tolerance? 30% tolerance? 60%?

Jeremy Peet

]]> By: Bill Muehlenberg http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2007/06/27/the-mainstreaming-of-sleaze/comment-page-1/#comment-21614 Bill Muehlenberg Wed, 27 Jun 2007 12:27:11 +0000 http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2007/06/27/the-mainstreaming-of-sleaze/#comment-21614 Quite right John. Ah, the contradictions of the liberal/left. Regards, Bill Muehlenberg, CultureWatch Quite right John. Ah, the contradictions of the liberal/left.
Regards, Bill Muehlenberg, CultureWatch

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