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		<title>By: Jonathan Sarfati</title>
		<link>http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2007/06/06/who-is-doing-the-hatred/comment-page-2/#comment-64960</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Sarfati</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2008 02:04:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another crime that the Leftmedia won&#039;t publicize: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,335951,00.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Sadistic Killer Lesbians Shared Blood Lust&lt;/a&gt;, Fox News, 7 March 2008.
Jonathan Sarfati, Brisbane</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another crime that the Leftmedia won&#8217;t publicize: <a href="http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,335951,00.html" rel="nofollow">Sadistic Killer Lesbians Shared Blood Lust</a>, Fox News, 7 March 2008.<br />
Jonathan Sarfati, Brisbane</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Muehlenberg</title>
		<link>http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2007/06/06/who-is-doing-the-hatred/comment-page-2/#comment-64629</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Muehlenberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 11:05:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Jenny

But of course as someone with a predetermined agenda on all this, you would be sceptical wouldn’t you? The truth is, there are mountains of information on all of this if you are really interested in following the evidence where it leads, instead of just pushing an agenda.

Many hundreds of books and articles can be consulted on all this. My own book on the subject (out in the near future hopefully) assembles much of this data together in one place. With some 700 footnotes (most from medical journals, scientific journals, and the homosexual press itself), it is a fully documented and referenced look at every issue you raise here.

The truth is out there. The real question is are you willing to avail yourself of it, or continue to deny facts to push your own radical agenda.

Bill Muehlenberg, CultureWatch</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Jenny</p>
<p>But of course as someone with a predetermined agenda on all this, you would be sceptical wouldn’t you? The truth is, there are mountains of information on all of this if you are really interested in following the evidence where it leads, instead of just pushing an agenda.</p>
<p>Many hundreds of books and articles can be consulted on all this. My own book on the subject (out in the near future hopefully) assembles much of this data together in one place. With some 700 footnotes (most from medical journals, scientific journals, and the homosexual press itself), it is a fully documented and referenced look at every issue you raise here.</p>
<p>The truth is out there. The real question is are you willing to avail yourself of it, or continue to deny facts to push your own radical agenda.</p>
<p>Bill Muehlenberg, CultureWatch</p>
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		<title>By: Jenny Kloprogge</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jenny Kloprogge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 13:42:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Bill, 
As I am currently studying a Bachelor of Education course at uni i am required to do research on the health of students including their sexuality. Although I am not an expert on society, I found some very interesting facts about homosexuality and have included some references for you to back up my argument. I believe that you have misinterpreted some myths and facts and would like to help you set them straight.
CHOICE? 
DISEASE
RELIGION
RELATIONSHIPS
PARENTING
CHILDREN
VIOLENCE...
The main reason why im blurting out all these facts is because this is an emotive argument, it&#039;s all based on emotions with no evidence to back it up. There&#039;s nothing wrong with arguing for something that your passionate about but please, can we get the facts right? And yes i am welcome to any facts you may have also as long as you provide some references for me. Please do not quote the bible to me because I believe that the bible was created for people to make their own interpretation of it and how they want to live their lives.

Jenny Kloprogge</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Bill,<br />
As I am currently studying a Bachelor of Education course at uni i am required to do research on the health of students including their sexuality. Although I am not an expert on society, I found some very interesting facts about homosexuality and have included some references for you to back up my argument. I believe that you have misinterpreted some myths and facts and would like to help you set them straight.<br />
CHOICE?<br />
DISEASE<br />
RELIGION<br />
RELATIONSHIPS<br />
PARENTING<br />
CHILDREN<br />
VIOLENCE&#8230;<br />
The main reason why im blurting out all these facts is because this is an emotive argument, it&#8217;s all based on emotions with no evidence to back it up. There&#8217;s nothing wrong with arguing for something that your passionate about but please, can we get the facts right? And yes i am welcome to any facts you may have also as long as you provide some references for me. Please do not quote the bible to me because I believe that the bible was created for people to make their own interpretation of it and how they want to live their lives.</p>
<p>Jenny Kloprogge</p>
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		<title>By: AA Hoysted</title>
		<link>http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2007/06/06/who-is-doing-the-hatred/comment-page-2/#comment-20912</link>
		<dc:creator>AA Hoysted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2007 10:05:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are quite right Jim.These people want the best of both worlds, and anyone who opposes them are branded as &quot;bigots&quot; as one letter-writer in the Sunday Herald-Sun was recently. They demand &quot;free speech&quot; but as soon get the upper hand, they call in the dogs of &quot;political correctness&quot; and one-sided &quot;vilificaton&quot; laws to intimidate all opposition.

The whole scenario has been choreographed with diabolical cunning by secular humanists and athiests in positions of political,educational and media influence who want to destroy the Judeo-Christian basis on which Australian society is built. Then substitute an anti-Christian, &quot;Secular Humanist&quot; society.

AA Hoysted</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are quite right Jim.These people want the best of both worlds, and anyone who opposes them are branded as &#8220;bigots&#8221; as one letter-writer in the Sunday Herald-Sun was recently. They demand &#8220;free speech&#8221; but as soon get the upper hand, they call in the dogs of &#8220;political correctness&#8221; and one-sided &#8220;vilificaton&#8221; laws to intimidate all opposition.</p>
<p>The whole scenario has been choreographed with diabolical cunning by secular humanists and athiests in positions of political,educational and media influence who want to destroy the Judeo-Christian basis on which Australian society is built. Then substitute an anti-Christian, &#8220;Secular Humanist&#8221; society.</p>
<p>AA Hoysted</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Sarfati</title>
		<link>http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2007/06/06/who-is-doing-the-hatred/comment-page-2/#comment-20911</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Sarfati</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2007 10:00:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John Kloprogge talks nonsense.  Of course I&#039;ve heard of Victoria&#039;s fascist &quot;anti-vilification&quot; bill.  It is the one that dragged two Christian pastors through the courts for daring to make Christians &lt;i&gt;laugh&lt;/i&gt; at some home truths about Islam.

OK John, where is the protection when gays, feminists, islamofascists and leftists bad-mouth Christians?  Actually, I don&#039;t think it should be a crime; it&#039;s those politically correct &quot;victim groups&quot; who have invented a &quot;right&quot; not to be offended, with the corollary of making offending &lt;i&gt;them&lt;/i&gt; a crime.  That&#039;s why Sweden has a homonazi law that resulted in the imprisonment of 63-year-old Pastor Åke Green for daring to preach from the Bible about homosexuality.

But while the victicrats are very thin-skinned about the slightest offence to them, they demand the thickest skin from their Christian targets.

Jonathan Sarfati, Brisbane</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John Kloprogge talks nonsense.  Of course I&#8217;ve heard of Victoria&#8217;s fascist &#8220;anti-vilification&#8221; bill.  It is the one that dragged two Christian pastors through the courts for daring to make Christians <i>laugh</i> at some home truths about Islam.</p>
<p>OK John, where is the protection when gays, feminists, islamofascists and leftists bad-mouth Christians?  Actually, I don&#8217;t think it should be a crime; it&#8217;s those politically correct &#8220;victim groups&#8221; who have invented a &#8220;right&#8221; not to be offended, with the corollary of making offending <i>them</i> a crime.  That&#8217;s why Sweden has a homonazi law that resulted in the imprisonment of 63-year-old Pastor Åke Green for daring to preach from the Bible about homosexuality.</p>
<p>But while the victicrats are very thin-skinned about the slightest offence to them, they demand the thickest skin from their Christian targets.</p>
<p>Jonathan Sarfati, Brisbane</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Muehlenberg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Muehlenberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2007 09:44:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry John, but Victoria’s RRTA was never meant to protect Christians. Quite the opposite, as I have written elsewhere.
Bill Muehlenberg, CultureWatch</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry John, but Victoria’s RRTA was never meant to protect Christians. Quite the opposite, as I have written elsewhere.<br />
Bill Muehlenberg, CultureWatch</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2007 01:26:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am no longer young and I cannot say that I will be disappointed to leave this world.
Years ago I fought in a war to give freedom of speech for all Australians and to maintain a lifestyle that we all enjoyed.
I now find that my right to reply; to hold a view that is different has now been destroyed.
It is now politically correct to voice opinions that are contrary to community standards and that to stand and oppose them earns you the title of being a biased bigot, a radical right winger, a person speakingout of  fear.
Alternate life stylers want to have their inclinations recognised but they still want to enjoy the fruits of a heterosexual union - children - I refer to the recent adoption case of two same sex persons in West Australia.
They want set their own rules for lifestyle but want to be seen to be part of a community that rejects their standards.
They want to maintain a promiscuous lifestyle yet enjoy the role reserved for those people maintaining a life of propriety.
The bible says that a time would come when good would be called bad and bad would be called good - have we reached this stage?
Has Australia sunk to such a level?
When a person joins a team, a group or a community they agree to abide by the standards of that organization.
If they oppose the regulations then it is very simple, don&#039;t be part of it, form another group.
Jim Sturla</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am no longer young and I cannot say that I will be disappointed to leave this world.<br />
Years ago I fought in a war to give freedom of speech for all Australians and to maintain a lifestyle that we all enjoyed.<br />
I now find that my right to reply; to hold a view that is different has now been destroyed.<br />
It is now politically correct to voice opinions that are contrary to community standards and that to stand and oppose them earns you the title of being a biased bigot, a radical right winger, a person speakingout of  fear.<br />
Alternate life stylers want to have their inclinations recognised but they still want to enjoy the fruits of a heterosexual union &#8211; children &#8211; I refer to the recent adoption case of two same sex persons in West Australia.<br />
They want set their own rules for lifestyle but want to be seen to be part of a community that rejects their standards.<br />
They want to maintain a promiscuous lifestyle yet enjoy the role reserved for those people maintaining a life of propriety.<br />
The bible says that a time would come when good would be called bad and bad would be called good &#8211; have we reached this stage?<br />
Has Australia sunk to such a level?<br />
When a person joins a team, a group or a community they agree to abide by the standards of that organization.<br />
If they oppose the regulations then it is very simple, don&#8217;t be part of it, form another group.<br />
Jim Sturla</p>
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		<title>By: John Kloprogge, Croydon VIC</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Kloprogge, Croydon VIC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jun 2007 15:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jonathan,

You say Christians can be vilified in the West. Have you not heard of Victoria&#039;s &#039;Racial and Religious Tolerance Act&#039;, which sought to prevent incitement to hatred against religious people? If that no longer protects Christians, it is because Christians fought to have it scrapped.

The reason our society is more civilised than certain dictatorships is that our activists campaign to advance equality, rather than drag us back to Iranian-style theocracy. I can see which way you&#039;d rather us go.

Your misrepresentation of gays, feminists and &#039;the Left&#039; is almost as bad as your misrepresentation of science.

Regards, John Kloprogge, Croydon VIC</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jonathan,</p>
<p>You say Christians can be vilified in the West. Have you not heard of Victoria&#8217;s &#8216;Racial and Religious Tolerance Act&#8217;, which sought to prevent incitement to hatred against religious people? If that no longer protects Christians, it is because Christians fought to have it scrapped.</p>
<p>The reason our society is more civilised than certain dictatorships is that our activists campaign to advance equality, rather than drag us back to Iranian-style theocracy. I can see which way you&#8217;d rather us go.</p>
<p>Your misrepresentation of gays, feminists and &#8216;the Left&#8217; is almost as bad as your misrepresentation of science.</p>
<p>Regards, John Kloprogge, Croydon VIC</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Sarfati</title>
		<link>http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2007/06/06/who-is-doing-the-hatred/comment-page-1/#comment-20787</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Sarfati</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jun 2007 02:21:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the West, homosexuals are a politically protected group, while Christians can be vilified (esp. by homosexuals) without any punishment.  For more, read Janet Folger&#039;s &lt;i&gt;The Criminalization of Christianity&lt;/i&gt; (I heard her speak at the American Vision conference a few weeks ago).

Indeed, homosexuals are mistreated in Iran.  That is a curious blind spot of the Left, who are constantly appeasing and whitewashing such dictatorships, while railing against the West.  And where are the feminists who should be speaking against our enemies&#039; repression of women?

Jonathan Sarfati, Brisbane</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the West, homosexuals are a politically protected group, while Christians can be vilified (esp. by homosexuals) without any punishment.  For more, read Janet Folger&#8217;s <i>The Criminalization of Christianity</i> (I heard her speak at the American Vision conference a few weeks ago).</p>
<p>Indeed, homosexuals are mistreated in Iran.  That is a curious blind spot of the Left, who are constantly appeasing and whitewashing such dictatorships, while railing against the West.  And where are the feminists who should be speaking against our enemies&#8217; repression of women?</p>
<p>Jonathan Sarfati, Brisbane</p>
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		<title>By: Jessie Ho</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jessie Ho</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jun 2007 16:19:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wow, ten days worth of comments. Anyone can choose a lifestyle but if their choices affect negatively the well being of another, then it is irresponsibility. God created one man, one woman with unique features for procreation. Whether you want children or not, homosexuality is outside godly principles. When man interferes with nature, the consequences are disastrous, it is evident around us, the health issues, the climate change, the wars etc, When homosexuals decide to have children or adopt some, they are creating a very lost and confused generation who would then create yet another. God values all man and women and created us to be unique, to be proud of who we are and not to live under a facade of another gender.
Any form of sex outside a heterosexual relationship is abnormal because your physical and hormonal features will not support that. How would you provide sex education to a child? would you tell them that sex between two men is normal, how are you going to describe the process, won&#039;t this be confusing to the child

Jessie Ho, WA</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wow, ten days worth of comments. Anyone can choose a lifestyle but if their choices affect negatively the well being of another, then it is irresponsibility. God created one man, one woman with unique features for procreation. Whether you want children or not, homosexuality is outside godly principles. When man interferes with nature, the consequences are disastrous, it is evident around us, the health issues, the climate change, the wars etc, When homosexuals decide to have children or adopt some, they are creating a very lost and confused generation who would then create yet another. God values all man and women and created us to be unique, to be proud of who we are and not to live under a facade of another gender.<br />
Any form of sex outside a heterosexual relationship is abnormal because your physical and hormonal features will not support that. How would you provide sex education to a child? would you tell them that sex between two men is normal, how are you going to describe the process, won&#8217;t this be confusing to the child</p>
<p>Jessie Ho, WA</p>
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