Comments on: Our Censors in Academia http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2007/05/29/our-censors-in-academia/ Bill Muehlenberg's commentary on issues of the day... Fri, 10 Feb 2012 03:50:32 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Julien Peter Benney http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2007/05/29/our-censors-in-academia/comment-page-1/#comment-153381 Julien Peter Benney Wed, 09 Sep 2009 13:37:06 +0000 http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2007/05/29/our-censors-in-academia/#comment-153381 Re "Earth is exquisitely fit for human life, and seems to hold a unique place in our universe." I have always had scepticism about claims of extraterrestrial intelligence, and if Earth holds a unique place in the universe, then it is clear to me that the Quaternary holds an equally unique place in geological history. (This is an issue which nobody, regardless of their views on evolution et cetera, seems to ask but one I find far too important to overlook). The reason for my belief in a "privileged era" (I have not the slightest hesitation in applying the analogies of Dr. Gonzalez to pure geology) is the fact that the paleopedological record shows that with a few exceptions Quaternary soils are much more fertile (due to glaciation and mountain building) than any soils during periods when the Earth has had no polar ice. The key agricultural soils on which most food is grown are totally unique to the last 30 million years, and would most likely not exist without the polar ice caps due to intense leaching. Whilst the paleopedological record is incomplete, I have never been one to believe that these fertile soils really existed without being recorded. Julien Peter Benney Re

“Earth is exquisitely fit for human life, and seems to hold a unique place in our universe.”

I have always had scepticism about claims of extraterrestrial intelligence, and if Earth holds a unique place in the universe, then it is clear to me that the Quaternary holds an equally unique place in geological history. (This is an issue which nobody, regardless of their views on evolution et cetera, seems to ask but one I find far too important to overlook).

The reason for my belief in a “privileged era” (I have not the slightest hesitation in applying the analogies of Dr. Gonzalez to pure geology) is the fact that the paleopedological record shows that with a few exceptions Quaternary soils are much more fertile (due to glaciation and mountain building) than any soils during periods when the Earth has had no polar ice. The key agricultural soils on which most food is grown are totally unique to the last 30 million years, and would most likely not exist without the polar ice caps due to intense leaching. Whilst the paleopedological record is incomplete, I have never been one to believe that these fertile soils really existed without being recorded.

Julien Peter Benney

]]> By: Jonathan Sarfati http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2007/05/29/our-censors-in-academia/comment-page-1/#comment-20271 Jonathan Sarfati Tue, 12 Jun 2007 08:31:35 +0000 http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2007/05/29/our-censors-in-academia/#comment-20271 See CMI's account, <a href="http://www.creationontheweb.com/content/view/5126" rel="nofollow">Darwinian thought police strike again: ID-advocate astronomer denied tenure at Iowa State University</a>, which cites this site. Jonathan Sarfati, Brisbane See CMI’s account, Darwinian thought police strike again: ID-advocate astronomer denied tenure at Iowa State University, which cites this site.
Jonathan Sarfati, Brisbane

]]> By: Jonathan Sarfati http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2007/05/29/our-censors-in-academia/comment-page-1/#comment-18075 Jonathan Sarfati Sun, 03 Jun 2007 12:51:22 +0000 http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2007/05/29/our-censors-in-academia/#comment-18075 One of the lecturers pushing to deny Gonzalez for denying the materialist party line is none other than our old friend <a href="http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2007/03/15/time-to-trim-the-bible/" rel="nofollow">Hector Avalos, who wants to ban the Bible itself!</a> Jonathan Sarfati, Brisbane One of the lecturers pushing to deny Gonzalez for denying the materialist party line is none other than our old friend Hector Avalos, who wants to ban the Bible itself!
Jonathan Sarfati, Brisbane

]]> By: Ewan http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2007/05/29/our-censors-in-academia/comment-page-1/#comment-17487 Ewan Fri, 01 Jun 2007 12:26:26 +0000 http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2007/05/29/our-censors-in-academia/#comment-17487 I think what Tas was trying to point out is that all beliefs, regardless of who it is that espouses them, should be evaluated in the light of what Scripture teaches. Ewan McDonald, Victoria I think what Tas was trying to point out is that all beliefs, regardless of who it is that espouses them, should be evaluated in the light of what Scripture teaches.

Ewan McDonald, Victoria

]]> By: Matthew Mulvaney http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2007/05/29/our-censors-in-academia/comment-page-1/#comment-17432 Matthew Mulvaney Fri, 01 Jun 2007 07:47:00 +0000 http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2007/05/29/our-censors-in-academia/#comment-17432 Keep up the good work Bill. I was chatting with fellow conservative university students recently. When I mentioned my religious views on one matter, I heard the same old rebukes: 'separation of church and state' and don't impose your religious beliefs on others. I believe these views are misguided and it is a real problem that they are so widespread. Matthew Mulvaney Keep up the good work Bill.

I was chatting with fellow conservative university students recently. When I mentioned my religious views on one matter, I heard the same old rebukes: ‘separation of church and state’ and don’t impose your religious beliefs on others. I believe these views are misguided and it is a real problem that they are so widespread.

Matthew Mulvaney

]]> By: M.E. Huffmaster http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2007/05/29/our-censors-in-academia/comment-page-1/#comment-17168 M.E. Huffmaster Thu, 31 May 2007 12:11:12 +0000 http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2007/05/29/our-censors-in-academia/#comment-17168 Begging your pardon, Tazman, but the topic concerned believers being punished for publicly expressing their beliefs outside of the classroom, not whether someone can have a slightly different opinion interpetation of Genesis/Creation and still be a Christian. Collins confesses Christ as his Savior, making him our brother-in Christ. It is, after all, the spirit/soul that makes humans different from the other creatures that inhabit this planet, NOT our flesh. M.E. Huffmaster Begging your pardon, Tazman, but the topic concerned believers being punished for publicly expressing their beliefs outside of the classroom, not whether someone can have a slightly different opinion interpetation of Genesis/Creation and still be a Christian. Collins confesses Christ as his Savior, making him our brother-in Christ. It is, after all, the spirit/soul that makes humans different from the other creatures that inhabit this planet, NOT our flesh.
M.E. Huffmaster

]]> By: Tasman http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2007/05/29/our-censors-in-academia/comment-page-1/#comment-16735 Tasman Wed, 30 May 2007 07:22:26 +0000 http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2007/05/29/our-censors-in-academia/#comment-16735 It's nice that Collins publically says he believes in God and is a Christian, but where does he get his ideas about origins from? Evolution over millions of years is not what the Bible says. That idea undermines the basis for almost every major Christian doctrine, including the goodness of God, the origin of death, and the need for a Saviour. Theistic evolution has no basis in Scripture and no support from evolutionary science. Tas Walker It’s nice that Collins publically says he believes in God and is a Christian, but where does he get his ideas about origins from? Evolution over millions of years is not what the Bible says. That idea undermines the basis for almost every major Christian doctrine, including the goodness of God, the origin of death, and the need for a Saviour. Theistic evolution has no basis in Scripture and no support from evolutionary science.
Tas Walker

]]> By: M.E. Huffmaster http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2007/05/29/our-censors-in-academia/comment-page-1/#comment-16713 M.E. Huffmaster Tue, 29 May 2007 22:54:03 +0000 http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2007/05/29/our-censors-in-academia/#comment-16713 So religious discrimination is now grounds for denying a teacher tenure? That's supposed to be illegal here in the U.S.! Doesn't Gonzales have grounds for a lawsuit? BTW, James, why should a teacher be denied tenure for publishing something that is neither illegal or immoral, but simply is written from a different point of view? Should Stephen Hawking have a conversion experience, will you them deny him his esteemed place in scientic acedemia because of his religious views? Are you willing to trash all DNA research because Dr. Francis Collins, the head geneticist on the Human Genome Project, is a Christian believer? Collins (who was raised an atheist) says science points him TOWARDS God. Collins is certainly no backwoods simpleton. He graduated with a PH.D in physical chemistry from Yale at age 24 and then went on to complete a degree in medicine from the University of North Carolina. Collins believes in Intelligent Design, actually a variant of Creationism where God evolved our flesh and when He was satisfied, gave humans a living soul. Collins asks "Why can't scientic processes be a part of God's plan?" Wouldn't God qualify as Supreme Scientist, if He's the origin of science Himself? http://www.christianpost.com/article/20070428/27142_Nation's_Top_Christian_Geneticist_Defends_God_and_Evolution.htm M.E. Huffmaster So religious discrimination is now grounds for denying a teacher tenure? That’s supposed to be illegal here in the U.S.! Doesn’t Gonzales have grounds for a lawsuit?

BTW, James, why should a teacher be denied tenure for publishing something that is neither illegal or immoral, but simply is written from a different point of view? Should Stephen Hawking have a conversion experience, will you them deny him his esteemed place in scientic acedemia because of his religious views? Are you willing to trash all DNA research because Dr. Francis Collins, the head geneticist on the Human Genome Project, is a Christian believer? Collins (who was raised an atheist) says science points him TOWARDS God. Collins is certainly no backwoods simpleton. He graduated with a PH.D in physical chemistry from Yale at age 24 and then went on to complete a degree in medicine from the University of North Carolina. Collins believes in Intelligent Design, actually a variant of Creationism where God evolved our flesh and when He was satisfied, gave humans a living soul. Collins asks “Why can’t scientic processes be a part of God’s plan?” Wouldn’t God qualify as Supreme Scientist, if He’s the origin of science Himself?

www.christianpost.com/article/20070428/27142_Nation's_Top_Christian_Geneticist_Defends_God_and_Evolution.htm

M.E. Huffmaster

]]> By: Bill Muehlenberg http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2007/05/29/our-censors-in-academia/comment-page-1/#comment-16694 Bill Muehlenberg Tue, 29 May 2007 16:54:08 +0000 http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2007/05/29/our-censors-in-academia/#comment-16694 Thanks James But that can be said about all origin science, evoluton included. Bill Muehlenberg, CultureWatch Thanks James
But that can be said about all origin science, evoluton included.
Bill Muehlenberg, CultureWatch

]]> By: James Beattie http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2007/05/29/our-censors-in-academia/comment-page-1/#comment-16654 James Beattie Tue, 29 May 2007 04:20:24 +0000 http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2007/05/29/our-censors-in-academia/#comment-16654 One might suggest that Intelligent Design is a concept more suited to a Philosophy classroom rather than a Scientific one. It is inherintely unmeasurable and unprovable and so is a useless scientific pursuit. James Beattie One might suggest that Intelligent Design is a concept more suited to a Philosophy classroom rather than a Scientific one. It is inherintely unmeasurable and unprovable and so is a useless scientific pursuit.
James Beattie

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