Comments on: The Trouble With Hate Crime Legislation http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2007/05/02/the-trouble-with-hate-crime-legislation/ Bill Muehlenberg's commentary on issues of the day... Sat, 11 Feb 2012 02:03:44 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Ernest "Hunter" Whaley http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2007/05/02/the-trouble-with-hate-crime-legislation/comment-page-1/#comment-25340 Ernest "Hunter" Whaley Fri, 10 Aug 2007 06:07:24 +0000 http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2007/05/02/the-trouble-with-hate-crime-legislation/#comment-25340 Hate crimes proponents lack fundamental comprehension that someone’s expression of belief or opinion - and their presumption that freedom of speech is an accusation that an ‘objective fact’ somehow has become ’subjective’ - a fantasy of the mind! Merely stating what is, is - does not quantify beyond stating a self evident fact is fact! Ones judgment does not entail HATRED - and if so…Where is the slander? What is, is! Now to divorce a person’s freedom from verbalizing a fact is to say: That cat is calico; but it’s a crime to say it’s a cat! One may not enjoy the company of so many colors! In fact, the accuser is - in reality, the ‘true’ hate crime creator - he hates truth! He hates freedom of expression! He loves his self proclaimed ‘perfection.’ and has a Hitler mentality! All those who uphold such fraud on the spirit and constitution are -including lawyers- enemies of this great country. Ernest “Hunter” Whaley, Wells, Michigan, USA Hate crimes proponents lack fundamental comprehension that someone’s expression of belief or opinion – and their presumption that freedom of speech is an accusation that an ‘objective fact’ somehow has become ’subjective’ – a fantasy of the mind! Merely stating what is, is – does not quantify beyond stating a self evident fact is fact! Ones judgment does not entail HATRED – and if so…Where is the slander? What is, is! Now to divorce a person’s freedom from verbalizing a fact is to say: That cat is calico; but it’s a crime to say it’s a cat! One may not enjoy the company of so many colors! In fact, the accuser is – in reality, the ‘true’ hate crime creator – he hates truth! He hates freedom of expression! He loves his self proclaimed ‘perfection.’ and has a Hitler mentality! All those who uphold such fraud on the spirit and constitution are -including lawyers- enemies of this great country.
Ernest “Hunter” Whaley, Wells, Michigan, USA

]]> By: fivos http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2007/05/02/the-trouble-with-hate-crime-legislation/comment-page-1/#comment-21661 fivos Thu, 28 Jun 2007 03:27:09 +0000 http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2007/05/02/the-trouble-with-hate-crime-legislation/#comment-21661 Bill I agree with what you say about speaking up. Its important that we speak up, and not remain silent. There are many hate crimes laws which war against freedom of speech, pushing various minority groups like the homosexual lobby. They will recieve favours in their court cases, while the majority are punished. Its immoral and wrong. Australia is not immune. Let us pray that good and honest decisions prevails. Fivos Panayiotou Bill I agree with what you say about speaking up. Its important that we speak up, and not remain silent. There are many hate crimes laws which war against freedom of speech, pushing various minority groups like the homosexual lobby. They will recieve favours in their court cases, while the majority are punished. Its immoral and wrong. Australia is not immune. Let us pray that good and honest decisions prevails.
Fivos Panayiotou

]]> By: Bill Muehlenberg http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2007/05/02/the-trouble-with-hate-crime-legislation/comment-page-1/#comment-19919 Bill Muehlenberg Fri, 08 Jun 2007 21:48:27 +0000 http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2007/05/02/the-trouble-with-hate-crime-legislation/#comment-19919 Thanks James Jesus also did not speak out against rape, arson or polygamy. Arguing from silence is pretty childish. While we must treat all people with respect, we have no obligation whatsoever – either as Christians or non-Christians - to support, embrace or encourage lifestyles which are dangerous and not in the public interest. And you seem happy to play the game of selective citing of Scripture (or at least Scriptural themes) when it suits your interests, while ignoring those that you find unacceptable. Sorry, but it does not work that way. Bill Muehlenberg, CultureWatch Thanks James

Jesus also did not speak out against rape, arson or polygamy. Arguing from silence is pretty childish. While we must treat all people with respect, we have no obligation whatsoever – either as Christians or non-Christians – to support, embrace or encourage lifestyles which are dangerous and not in the public interest.

And you seem happy to play the game of selective citing of Scripture (or at least Scriptural themes) when it suits your interests, while ignoring those that you find unacceptable. Sorry, but it does not work that way.

Bill Muehlenberg, CultureWatch

]]> By: James Beattie http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2007/05/02/the-trouble-with-hate-crime-legislation/comment-page-1/#comment-19791 James Beattie Fri, 08 Jun 2007 04:23:37 +0000 http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2007/05/02/the-trouble-with-hate-crime-legislation/#comment-19791 Jesus did not preach that homosexuality was a sin and that his followers should persecute homosexuals. This kind of vilification stands in stark contrast to the notions of love, peace and forgiveness that he did speak of. James Beattie Jesus did not preach that homosexuality was a sin and that his followers should persecute homosexuals. This kind of vilification stands in stark contrast to the notions of love, peace and forgiveness that he did speak of.
James Beattie

]]> By: Bill Muehlenberg http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2007/05/02/the-trouble-with-hate-crime-legislation/comment-page-1/#comment-16697 Bill Muehlenberg Tue, 29 May 2007 17:09:50 +0000 http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2007/05/02/the-trouble-with-hate-crime-legislation/#comment-16697 Thanks James Why do secular humanists always dress up their bigotry as "Humanist Values”? In which verse of the bible does Jesus declare that arson or environmental exploitation is a sin? I am afraid that arguing from silence is always a foolish and weak effort. So too is name-calling. Bill Muehlenberg, CultureWatch Thanks James

Why do secular humanists always dress up their bigotry as “Humanist Values”? In which verse of the bible does Jesus declare that arson or environmental exploitation is a sin?

I am afraid that arguing from silence is always a foolish and weak effort. So too is name-calling.

Bill Muehlenberg, CultureWatch

]]> By: James Beattie http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2007/05/02/the-trouble-with-hate-crime-legislation/comment-page-1/#comment-16653 James Beattie Tue, 29 May 2007 04:09:58 +0000 http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2007/05/02/the-trouble-with-hate-crime-legislation/#comment-16653 >>Stand for Biblical values on homosexuality, abortion and the family, and you are committing an intolerant hate-crime. Why do Christians always dress up their bigotry as "Christian Values? In which verse of the bible does Jesus declare that Homosexuality is a sin? James Beattie >>Stand for Biblical values on homosexuality, abortion and the family, and you are committing an intolerant hate-crime.

Why do Christians always dress up their bigotry as “Christian Values? In which verse of the bible does Jesus declare that Homosexuality is a sin?

James Beattie

]]> By: Janneka B http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2007/05/02/the-trouble-with-hate-crime-legislation/comment-page-1/#comment-16448 Janneka B Fri, 25 May 2007 02:17:52 +0000 http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2007/05/02/the-trouble-with-hate-crime-legislation/#comment-16448 Bill I fully agree with your article. It is so important that we act now to influence the governments on this, before it is too late and speaking truth can be punishable. Janneka Beeksma Bill

I fully agree with your article. It is so important that we act now to influence the governments on this, before it is too late and speaking truth can be punishable.

Janneka Beeksma

]]> By: John Nelson http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2007/05/02/the-trouble-with-hate-crime-legislation/comment-page-1/#comment-14143 John Nelson Thu, 03 May 2007 08:33:35 +0000 http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2007/05/02/the-trouble-with-hate-crime-legislation/#comment-14143 Sharia by stealth! John Nelson Sharia by stealth!
John Nelson

]]> By: fivos http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2007/05/02/the-trouble-with-hate-crime-legislation/comment-page-1/#comment-14121 fivos Thu, 03 May 2007 01:13:08 +0000 http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2007/05/02/the-trouble-with-hate-crime-legislation/#comment-14121 This is a troubling and disturbing issue. The Bible states that believers of Jesus Christ will be persecuted. That is exactly what is coming to pass. We need to take heed to these warnings and be prepared for what we may face in the future. We now have the gift of freedom of speech, but some are trying to take it away. We must be vigilant. Fivos Panayiotou This is a troubling and disturbing issue. The Bible states that believers of Jesus Christ will be persecuted. That is exactly what is coming to pass.
We need to take heed to these warnings and be prepared for what we may face in the future.
We now have the gift of freedom of speech, but some are trying to take it away. We must be vigilant.
Fivos Panayiotou

]]> By: Luke Beattie http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2007/05/02/the-trouble-with-hate-crime-legislation/comment-page-1/#comment-14116 Luke Beattie Thu, 03 May 2007 00:34:39 +0000 http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2007/05/02/the-trouble-with-hate-crime-legislation/#comment-14116 Once again we see an example of the tail wagging the dog. What causes real concern for us in Australia is that we are also becoming overrun with legislation to appease the militant lobby of minority groups. Say what you want about a Christian and it is expressing your freedom of thought and speech. Stand for Biblical values on homosexuality, abortion and the family, and you are commiting an intolerant hate-crime. Something does not compute. Luke Beattie Once again we see an example of the tail wagging the dog. What causes real concern for us in Australia is that we are also becoming overrun with legislation to appease the militant lobby of minority groups.

Say what you want about a Christian and it is expressing your freedom of thought and speech. Stand for Biblical values on homosexuality, abortion and the family, and you are commiting an intolerant hate-crime. Something does not compute.

Luke Beattie

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