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	<title>Comments on: Disembowelling the Christian Faith</title>
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		<title>By: Fivos</title>
		<link>http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2007/02/28/disembowelling-the-christian-faith/comment-page-1/#comment-8018</link>
		<dc:creator>Fivos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Mar 2007 03:49:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even if the entire Christian population were to denounce God and deny Jesus as their saviour, it wouldnt change the truth of Christianity. If these women have had a personal problem within the church it doesn&#039;t have anything to do with who Jesus really is, it simply means that people are the problem. These women need to pray and regain their faith, because Jesus loves them both regardless.
Fivos Panayiotou</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even if the entire Christian population were to denounce God and deny Jesus as their saviour, it wouldnt change the truth of Christianity. If these women have had a personal problem within the church it doesn&#8217;t have anything to do with who Jesus really is, it simply means that people are the problem. These women need to pray and regain their faith, because Jesus loves them both regardless.<br />
Fivos Panayiotou</p>
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		<title>By: Garth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Garth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Mar 2007 04:39:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well Said, Jonathon, insightful as usual.

I&#039;d only add, that as a broad brush stroke, that here are two people who have fallen into the trap of deciding the merits of Christianity based upon the example of man instead of focussing on the author and finisher of the faith and using Him as the model. Just as we cannot throw out science because of some erroneous diatribe from certain scientists, just in the same way if you really want to answer the question of God&#039;s existence and the reality of salvation and sanctification, one must go to the author and get it first hand.

Unfortunately, as we all know, offense is the single biggest reason for people to turn from their faith, their churches, their spouses and their leaders. It takes great maturity to overlook the offense caused by similarly inadequate people as ourselves and focus on the things that really matter - whether we are satisfied with the answer that we have come to as to whether things are over when we die or whether there&#039;s an eternity that we must contend with. I know personally that this question is far too important for me to let other people&#039;s interpretations be my sole guide, and other people&#039;s actions determine my decision.

Garth Penglase</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well Said, Jonathon, insightful as usual.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d only add, that as a broad brush stroke, that here are two people who have fallen into the trap of deciding the merits of Christianity based upon the example of man instead of focussing on the author and finisher of the faith and using Him as the model. Just as we cannot throw out science because of some erroneous diatribe from certain scientists, just in the same way if you really want to answer the question of God&#8217;s existence and the reality of salvation and sanctification, one must go to the author and get it first hand.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, as we all know, offense is the single biggest reason for people to turn from their faith, their churches, their spouses and their leaders. It takes great maturity to overlook the offense caused by similarly inadequate people as ourselves and focus on the things that really matter &#8211; whether we are satisfied with the answer that we have come to as to whether things are over when we die or whether there&#8217;s an eternity that we must contend with. I know personally that this question is far too important for me to let other people&#8217;s interpretations be my sole guide, and other people&#8217;s actions determine my decision.</p>
<p>Garth Penglase</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Sarfati</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathan Sarfati</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Mar 2007 07:23:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How typical of the MMM (Mendacious Mainstream Media).  Deveny is yet another silly bint hired by a leftist rag for no other reason than she is an embittered apostate (being an unmarried mother undoubtedly helps too).  Never mind that she has learned her history and theology from a weetbix pack. 

Of course, she swallows the Flat Earth Myth, even though historian Jeffrey Burton Russell showed that almost all Christian commentators who discussed the issue affirmed the earth’s roundness (http://www.veritas-ucsb.org/library/russell/FlatEarth.html). 

And her infantile discussion on miracles and science takes the biscuit with her chronological snobbery.  The miracles were believed because of evidence for them, while she disbelieves because of a dogma against them.  And the ancients knew very well how babies are made—needing both a man and a woman, although they did not know certain details about spermatozoa and ova. In fact, Joseph (Mt. 1:19) and Mary (Lk. 1:34) questioned the announcements of the Virginal Conception because they did know the facts of life, not because they did not! Similarly, ancients didn’t know about bacterial enzyme-catalyzed hydrolysis of basic amino acids producing diaminoalkanes which strongly stimulate olfactory receptors, but they knew that a corpse will stink after a few days, and they informed Jesus of this before He raised Lazarus from the dead. 

She and her ostensible critic are also daft to think that her own fundyatheism is kind to woman.  As Lita Cosner points out (http://www.creationontheweb.com/content/view/4851): 

There is no reason, under their own belief system, for evolutionists to see males and females as equals. Males and females faced different selection pressures, so natural selection is unlikely to produce sexes of equal worth (if a term like ‘worth’ can even have meaning in this belief system). In fact, many animals show huge differences between the sexes. Indeed, historically, evolutionists have seen females as the inferior sex. 

... 

Conversely, the Bible affirms the value of women, despite the claims to the contrary (see one CMI refutation, ‘Female inferiority’ raises questions). The fact that men and women are both created in God’s image (Gen. 1:26–7) disproves a common radical feminist claim that the Bible is anti-women. Jesus’ chosen Apostle, Paul, (maligned by many feminists as being anti-women), affirms that spiritual privileges in the body of Christ come equally to both sexes (Gal. 3:26–29).

Jonathan Sarfati, Brisbane</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How typical of the MMM (Mendacious Mainstream Media).  Deveny is yet another silly bint hired by a leftist rag for no other reason than she is an embittered apostate (being an unmarried mother undoubtedly helps too).  Never mind that she has learned her history and theology from a weetbix pack. </p>
<p>Of course, she swallows the Flat Earth Myth, even though historian Jeffrey Burton Russell showed that almost all Christian commentators who discussed the issue affirmed the earth’s roundness (<a href="http://www.veritas-ucsb.org/library/russell/FlatEarth.html" title="http://www.veritas-ucsb.org/library/russell/FlatEarth.html" class="autohyperlink" target="_blank">http://www.veritas-ucsb.org/library/russell/FlatEarth.html</a>). </p>
<p>And her infantile discussion on miracles and science takes the biscuit with her chronological snobbery.  The miracles were believed because of evidence for them, while she disbelieves because of a dogma against them.  And the ancients knew very well how babies are made—needing both a man and a woman, although they did not know certain details about spermatozoa and ova. In fact, Joseph (Mt. 1:19) and Mary (Lk. 1:34) questioned the announcements of the Virginal Conception because they did know the facts of life, not because they did not! Similarly, ancients didn’t know about bacterial enzyme-catalyzed hydrolysis of basic amino acids producing diaminoalkanes which strongly stimulate olfactory receptors, but they knew that a corpse will stink after a few days, and they informed Jesus of this before He raised Lazarus from the dead. </p>
<p>She and her ostensible critic are also daft to think that her own fundyatheism is kind to woman.  As Lita Cosner points out (<a href="http://www.creationontheweb.com/content/view/4851" title="http://www.creationontheweb.com/content/view/4851" class="autohyperlink" target="_blank">http://www.creationontheweb.com/content/view/4851</a>): </p>
<p>There is no reason, under their own belief system, for evolutionists to see males and females as equals. Males and females faced different selection pressures, so natural selection is unlikely to produce sexes of equal worth (if a term like ‘worth’ can even have meaning in this belief system). In fact, many animals show huge differences between the sexes. Indeed, historically, evolutionists have seen females as the inferior sex. </p>
<p>&#8230; </p>
<p>Conversely, the Bible affirms the value of women, despite the claims to the contrary (see one CMI refutation, ‘Female inferiority’ raises questions). The fact that men and women are both created in God’s image (Gen. 1:26–7) disproves a common radical feminist claim that the Bible is anti-women. Jesus’ chosen Apostle, Paul, (maligned by many feminists as being anti-women), affirms that spiritual privileges in the body of Christ come equally to both sexes (Gal. 3:26–29).</p>
<p>Jonathan Sarfati, Brisbane</p>
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