Comments on: Darwinism On the Defensive: The Rise and Rise of Intelligent Design http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2005/08/14/darwinism-on-the-defensive-the-rise-and-rise-of-intelligent-design/ Bill Muehlenberg's commentary on issues of the day... Tue, 16 Mar 2010 11:56:57 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Lamar Boll http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2005/08/14/darwinism-on-the-defensive-the-rise-and-rise-of-intelligent-design/comment-page-1/#comment-158966 Lamar Boll Wed, 28 Oct 2009 18:10:37 +0000 http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2005/08/14/darwinism-on-the-defensive-the-rise-and-rise-of-intelligent-design/#comment-158966 Thanks, Bill. I read the review. Good job. From what you said, it appears Wiker isn't afraid to dig beneath the surface as a good biographer and historian would. I'm trying to dig into these questions more, because I know our modern secular educational system, with it's politically-correct' agenda, can't be counted on to give us the truth in these areas. And I've learned over the years that possession of an advanced degree is no guarantee that a person isn't ignorant about issues outside their field of specialty (or even sometimes inside it, for that matter). I suspect that is the case in this particular instance. But many people just don't know, and aren't likely to unless they have a special personal interest or incentive to question 'common knowlege' we've all been taught. And, given the sheer growth of knowledge and the specialization of our modern education systems, anyone's range of knowledge is necessarily limited. Anyway, thanks again. I'll check out the book. And thanks for your excellent work on this site. God bless you. Lamar Boll Thanks, Bill. I read the review. Good job. From what you said, it appears Wiker isn’t afraid to dig beneath the surface as a good biographer and historian would. I’m trying to dig into these questions more, because I know our modern secular educational system, with it’s politically-correct’ agenda, can’t be counted on to give us the truth in these areas. And I’ve learned over the years that possession of an advanced degree is no guarantee that a person isn’t ignorant about issues outside their field of specialty (or even sometimes inside it, for that matter). I suspect that is the case in this particular instance. But many people just don’t know, and aren’t likely to unless they have a special personal interest or incentive to question ‘common knowlege’ we’ve all been taught. And, given the sheer growth of knowledge and the specialization of our modern education systems, anyone’s range of knowledge is necessarily limited.

Anyway, thanks again. I’ll check out the book. And thanks for your excellent work on this site. God bless you.

Lamar Boll

]]> By: Bill Muehlenberg http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2005/08/14/darwinism-on-the-defensive-the-rise-and-rise-of-intelligent-design/comment-page-1/#comment-156750 Bill Muehlenberg Thu, 08 Oct 2009 06:57:03 +0000 http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2005/08/14/darwinism-on-the-defensive-the-rise-and-rise-of-intelligent-design/#comment-156750 Thanks Lamar A good book which in part deals with your concerns is <em>The Darwin Myth</em> by Benjamin Wiker. See my review here: http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2009/07/08/a-review-of-the-darwin-myth-by-benjamin-wiker/ Bill Muehlenberg, CultureWatch Thanks Lamar

A good book which in part deals with your concerns is The Darwin Myth by Benjamin Wiker. See my review here: http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2009/07/08/a-review-of-the-darwin-myth-by-benjamin-wiker/

Bill Muehlenberg, CultureWatch

]]> By: Lamar Boll, Bolivar, NY http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2005/08/14/darwinism-on-the-defensive-the-rise-and-rise-of-intelligent-design/comment-page-1/#comment-156745 Lamar Boll, Bolivar, NY Thu, 08 Oct 2009 06:26:17 +0000 http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2005/08/14/darwinism-on-the-defensive-the-rise-and-rise-of-intelligent-design/#comment-156745 Bill, Where would you start or what books would you recommend in researching the question of Charles Darwin's personal beliefs about God? I once got into a discussion with a friend of mine, a biology professor at a local college, about creation/evolution issues, and, in response to a comment I made (which, unfortunately, I can no longer recall), he made a remark to the effect that 'I don't think Darwin was involved in a conspiracy to undermine Christianity.' I actually hadn't used the word 'conspiracy' and would hesitate to do so, but I think I had suggested that there may be reason to believe that Darwin's motives vis-a-vis belief in God may very well have been less benign than is commonly assumed in popular accounts of the development of his ideas. Lamar Boll, Bolivar, NY Bill,

Where would you start or what books would you recommend in researching the question of Charles Darwin’s personal beliefs about God? I once got into a discussion with a friend of mine, a biology professor at a local college, about creation/evolution issues, and, in response to a comment I made (which, unfortunately, I can no longer recall), he made a remark to the effect that ‘I don’t think Darwin was involved in a conspiracy to undermine Christianity.’ I actually hadn’t used the word ‘conspiracy’ and would hesitate to do so, but I think I had suggested that there may be reason to believe that Darwin’s motives vis-a-vis belief in God may very well have been less benign than is commonly assumed in popular accounts of the development of his ideas.

Lamar Boll, Bolivar, NY

]]> By: Bill Muehlenberg http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2005/08/14/darwinism-on-the-defensive-the-rise-and-rise-of-intelligent-design/comment-page-1/#comment-1084 Bill Muehlenberg Thu, 26 Oct 2006 06:11:24 +0000 http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2005/08/14/darwinism-on-the-defensive-the-rise-and-rise-of-intelligent-design/#comment-1084 Thanks Fergus But just which IDers are you referring to when you claim they will admit to no methodological or philosophical holes? All the ones I have read have said this is an ongoing project, open to revision and adjustment, and that they do not have all the answers. Bill Muehlenberg, CultureWatch Thanks Fergus
But just which IDers are you referring to when you claim they will admit to no methodological or philosophical holes? All the ones I have read have said this is an ongoing project, open to revision and adjustment, and that they do not have all the answers.

Bill Muehlenberg, CultureWatch

]]> By: Fergus Hancock http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2005/08/14/darwinism-on-the-defensive-the-rise-and-rise-of-intelligent-design/comment-page-1/#comment-948 Fergus Hancock Sat, 21 Oct 2006 21:04:19 +0000 http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2005/08/14/darwinism-on-the-defensive-the-rise-and-rise-of-intelligent-design/#comment-948 Again, long on commentary, short on facts. Just as Darwin admitted the geological evidence for evolution was patchy and less than incomplete, I look for ID enthusiasts to admit that ID has philosophical and methodological holes. No deal. A pity; but as a working scientist (fields; hydrology, environmental landscape processes, geomorphology), I cannot make head nor tail of ID. It remains a curiosity, but refuses definition and fails the test of deniability, to which any true science adheres. Considering the enormous contributions to transitional development and descent with modification in the past 15 years, I am quite surprised with your certainty. It undermines any remnant of credulity in Christian omniscience I might have ever held. Fergus Hancock Again, long on commentary, short on facts. Just as Darwin admitted the geological evidence for evolution was patchy and less than incomplete, I look for ID enthusiasts to admit that ID has philosophical and methodological holes. No deal.

A pity; but as a working scientist (fields; hydrology, environmental landscape processes, geomorphology), I cannot make head nor tail of ID. It remains a curiosity, but refuses definition and fails the test of deniability, to which any true science adheres.

Considering the enormous contributions to transitional development and descent with modification in the past 15 years, I am quite surprised with your certainty. It undermines any remnant of credulity in Christian omniscience I might have ever held.

Fergus Hancock

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